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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Except it isn't supported by China: https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-chinas-warning-against-a...

Really? You think an article in the WSJ can possibly reveal anything about the full intentions of the CCP?

Of course not. But it's enough to disprove an unsourced FUD.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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post #72

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The SPD has always been on the moderate side when it comes to Russia. His Green coalition partners are NATO hawks though.

>His Green coalition partners are NATO hawks though. What's their reasoning?

I would guess because Russia has shown itself to be a bad actor over and over? They kill/imprison people just for being gay. Imagine what they do to dissidents and those who don't "go with the Russian flow". Dealing with Russia of today is dealing with the devil.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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I think the one that will profit most is China, being the remaining trade partner in a much similar way when most of the world imposed sanctions against north Korea. At the same time this will reduce the impact on prices, since as long China is connected to the global economy then the global supply will still increase when they buy from Russia. There will be costs associated with transportation for EU, be that from C…

I don't think China benefited per se (let alone profited) by being the only one with economic ties to North Korea. As I understand it it's a pretty parasitic relationship. China's reason to help North Korea is more so political and territorial than economic.

If China didn't subsidize N. Korea the country would fall into ruin and they would have a refugee crisis on their hands.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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How am I going to heat my house?

Don't know why you got downvoted. All these Americans in this thread can have all the opinions they want. They're not getting screwed by high gas prices right now.

It's a global market, we get hit by high gas prices too. Almost half of Europeans gas prices are fuel taxes anyway. Talk your governments into backing off those for a while.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Don't know why you got downvoted. All these Americans in this thread can have all the opinions they want. They're not getting screwed by high gas prices right now.

Gas prices are extremely high for Americans this year, also. But it’s true that Russia isn’t a driving force in that.

Gas/fuel prices are a global commodity, of course the Ukraine conflict will affect Americans, not as much as Europe, but Americans will get a lot of it as well. The middle east is probably loving the influx of income.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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The accreditation process was already halted, so nothing new has happened. Nord Stream 2 will eventually deliver cheap gas to Germany. This is just political theatre. Wait till Russia stops sending gas through Ukraine and paying Ukraine billions for the privilege (a move that can be easily justified from the Russian side as 'counter sanctions'). Then you'll hear the Germans scream XD

Russia probably won't have to pay billions soon as they will own Ukraine. I can see rebels blowing up the gas/fuel lines first thing though.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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post #353

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I believe your analysis is wrong and that there is no way Russia would do what it is doing without approval from China. China will do nothing to punish Russia. They might make some meaningless gestures but nothing meaningful.

Putin has been looking to secure western border since always. Why does RU need PRC approval? RU does what's in RU interests, the fact that RU had courtesy to wait until after Olympics is about as much leverage PRC has in the situation. And why does PRC need to punish RU or do anything meaningful if doing nothing is likely more optimal for PRC. The geopolitical calculus is all over the place, no reason to be hasty.

RU actions are against PRC interests in terms of international norms.

They are not and I don’t believe Russia would do what it is doing in Ukraine without Chinese approval. The timing of the recent agreement between Russia and China is pretty much proof that Russia has China’s blessing.

Since 1960 China has had military incursions against Vietnam, Soviet Union, and India. It has blatantly violated norms regarding the laws of the seas and used pseudo naval vessels to blatantly overfish in the territory of other countries. It has told VW that if it wants to sell cars in China then VW must stop doing business with a Lithuanian company. Your views on the subject of China and international norms is weird to me and not supported by history.

I will not convince you of anything and likewise I doubt you’ll be able to convince me of anything. I stand by my assertion that China approves Russia’s actions.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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U.S. to be world's biggest LNG exporter in 2022 [0] “Approval of additional LNG exports from Freeport LNG furthers this Administration’s commitment to promoting American energy, American jobs, and the American economy. Further, increased supplies of U.S. natural gas on the world market are critical to advancing clean energy and the energy security of our allies around the globe. … for molecules of U.S. freedom to be…

>"The Iron Curtain of the 1940s and ‘50s was ostensibly designed to isolate Russia from Western Europe – to keep out Communist ideology and military penetration. Uhh what? If I remember my history class correctly, it was the east that built the berlin wall and had emigration restrictions, not the other way around. The wikipedia article confirms this. "The term symbolizes the efforts by the Soviet Union (USSR) to bloc…

>The Iron Curtain of the 1940s and ‘50s - here is more as a metaphor.

>The Berlin Wall was a guarded concrete barrier that physically and ideologically divided Berlin from 1961 to 1989.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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While Japan may be a stretch, it is not an exaggeration that China has designs on the territorial waters of the Phillipines and Vietnam and currently lodges diplomatic protests when Koreans flaunt their traditional culture, revealing something that looks like an expectation of tribute.

The issue between China (both PRC and Taiwan since they have the same claims) and the Philippines and Vietnam is with the South China Sea, namely the so-called "nine dash line" that includes areas also claimed by Vietnam and the Philippines. Interestingly, the Philippines were previously invaded and occupied by Spain, the US, and Japan but never China although one of their nearest neighbour... Likewise although there…

China wasn't really in a position to challenge Spain/USA/Japan on the ocean at the time so you can't really count that.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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I don't think China benefited per se (let alone profited) by being the only one with economic ties to North Korea. As I understand it it's a pretty parasitic relationship. China's reason to help North Korea is more so political and territorial than economic.

If China didn't subsidize N. Korea the country would fall into ruin and they would have a refugee crisis on their hands.

That's still a negative reason though. Profit is a positive reason.
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