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Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Spoiler: He did not actually quit the news, just watching news on TV as opposed to reading articles. > I’m mostly talking about following TV and internet newscasts here. This post isn’t an indictment of journalism as a whole. There’s a big difference between watching a half hour of CNN’s refugee crisis coverage (not that they cover it anymore) versus spending that time reading a 5,000-word article on the same topic.

Yeah, TV News is the real issue, it only gives a completely surface level understanding of anything, such that you will be forming political opinions based on emotional impact and nothing else.

And that, btw, is the reason to stay informed: to come to accurate conclusions that inform your political opinions. Because at some point, decisions need to be made about things, and your vote is part of that process. Not just your own vote, either, but the votes of anyone else you can communicate with.

Of course, for many, the emotional impact is all that happens, which forms the basis of all propaganda and advertising.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father tells me - "Why do you care what Andrew Cuomo is doing in New York city?" and it kind of was eye-opening. I really don't. I wish I paid more attention to local news, local politics, and perhaps check-in on international news on a weekly basis. The internet changed all this. When I was growing up, my dad read local newspaper daily. National and international news were briefly covered in the local paper. He'd…

> "Why do you care what Andrew Cuomo is doing in New York city?" In and of itself, I don't. Unfortunately, the local politicians toe the party line and ape the Big City / Big State politicians, the Cuomos and the Garcettis of the world. Suppose you could paint it at some level as "know thy enemy" (pardon the abrasiveness of the wording) because those states are something of a test bed for what to expect from the loca…

Self awareness and the phrase "rage-bait" could do you wonders.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I thought it was odd when YouTube started implementing a "Covid-19 News" feed to the home page that couldn't be disabled. I get why they would implement such a feed as a default, but not letting people turn it off and let people watch cat videos or whatnot in peace seems like a bad idea.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I fully agree with this. Scanning Google News or a couple of the more professional international news services like BBC / Al Jazeera / Reuters I still feel pretty well informed (and confident that there's usually nothing of immediate consequence to me) but it doesn't grow into "expert analysis" or impact my feelings much. Here's another thing I noticed: how manipulated / manipulative it is. And not just news and I do…

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816159.It_s_Not_News_It_...

People from the old internet will recognize Fark, and this book humorously details how news organizations essentially fabricate "news" from non-news items and entertain rather than focusing on just informing.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #15

In light of the current situation in Europe I've thought of a rule of thumb I give people about media they consume. If someone is painted as an enemy, and the information you're given makes their actions or motivations seem irrational, you're likely not being given all relevant information. In the same vein as this article, I've also quit Twitter a year ago and it's been great. Pretty much the same effects also.

I'm very curious what you think of this interesting article[0] I read yesterday which ties into your point.

[0]: https://wisdomofcrowds.live/email/725986a1-fc00-4962-a1dc-c3...

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #4

I fully agree with this. Scanning Google News or a couple of the more professional international news services like BBC / Al Jazeera / Reuters I still feel pretty well informed (and confident that there's usually nothing of immediate consequence to me) but it doesn't grow into "expert analysis" or impact my feelings much. Here's another thing I noticed: how manipulated / manipulative it is. And not just news and I do…

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Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I actually stopped purposely reading/watching the news some time around 2016 - and it's been a very positive experience for me.

I had enough negativity in my life as it was, and it just felt like every media outlet overwhelmingly pursued negative stories - war, famine, corruption, FUD etc. I dwelt on such stories, fretting about what might happen. And it frustrated me greatly that I could do nothing about any of these events - technically I live in a democracy, but it counts for little if both main parties are 2 sides of the same coin, and the others have zero chance.

So, I took the drastic step of stopping watching and reading news. I still inadvertently come across some small snippit from time to time, and events that directly impact me, like covid, are apparent without 24-hour death toll coverage.

It's been great - I feel "unburdened", and definitely happier.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah enormous difference. It is indeed a good idea to avoid TV news. My suggestion: Go to a news stand instead and grab a copy of The Economist. One who does that will learn much about the world. About countries one rarely hear about in other media outlets. About advances in science and technology. In my opinion, time spent reading The Economist is not wasted. Well that’s my 2¢ anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> My suggestion: Go to a news stand instead and grab a copy of The Economist. One who does that will learn much about the world. About countries one rarely hear about in other media outlets. About advances in science and technology. To play Devil's advocate, why is it useful to spend time learning about these types of things -- world politics, economics, even current scientific developments? Is it mainly because it's…

If you like to understand things, understanding things is its own reward.

However, there is also voting.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you're not truly informed, at best you know the opinions of others. Or more typically, you're informed as to what media outlet publishes to get eyeballs for advertising revenue. Your conversations with others are only more interesting because you're engaging with people who are themselves very interested in discussing the opinions of others. My friends are not like this. And the ones that are, I try to avoid endl…

I agree with much of what you wrote. Finding curious and open minded people is super important and I would encourage you to spend the time to find people who actively participate in their society. Unless, of course, you'd rather not. > But you're not truly informed, at best you know the opinions of others. Or more typically, you're informed as to what media outlet publishes to get eyeballs for advertising revenue. I…

I'm a bit of a pessimist here. Finding open minded people has been very difficult. I've got a set, they are my oldest and best friends, spread across the continent now.

What is your reading list and hours per week spent?

If you are regularly reading several publications like the economist and keeping tabs on diverse set of news outlets, then you might be able to see the forest. But that takes significant time, and I don't know anyone who does that or has the time to in between working and taking care of themselves/family - which is why I view it as more of a niche hobby nowadays.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I call it the "Fox Detox" for fun, but is not limited to Fox, although they are the biggest Point of view purveyor. I have challenged friends and family members to try eschewing all point of view media for 30 days and to instead do other things, oh you know, going for a walk, visiting friends, reading a book, watching a good movie, you know normal life. The regular 5 o'clock local news and perhaps a few mainstream ones online, AP, Reuters or whatever, people know when they are consuming Pov channels, the confirmation makes them feel good, like drugs, is not good for your mind. When people try it, they report similar things like "I feel better" or "I am less stressed". Too much of anything is bad for you, including "News" and especially PoV news.
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