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IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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Re: IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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love that Americans are always worried about some sort of national ID/database of citizens being used for nefarious needs

It's in our history to worry about it :')

There also the instructive examples of how such things were (and are) used in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Bloc, China...

Re: IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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love that Americans are always worried about some sort of national ID/database of citizens being used for nefarious needs

The main issue is if it's required. Not so worried about myself - I'm a veteran which means my fingerprints and DNA are already on file with the feds somewhere :), but US Citizens with no particular connection to the federal government absolutely shouldn't have to need a "National ID."

Re: IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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I'm a foreigner (yes, I know, sorry, sorry) who is a "US Person" and thus needs to (and, to be perfectly clear, is happy to, I'm sorry, I'm not-sorry, I'm sorry about being not-sorry?) pay US income tax.

The IRS system is, by far, the worst I've ever had to deal with, and in this I'm comparing the US to countries like Rwanda, where, for some weird reason, I'm also required to pay taxes.

Getting an ITIN (sort-of like a SSN, except you're not supposed to use it like that, otherwise they will send Ted Cruz after you...) is an absolute pain, mostly because you can only request it by phone, and literally nobody you talk to is able to spell your name right, DESPITE you repeating it endlessly in just about any spelling alphabet possible.

So, you now have a dozen-or-so ITINs (again, like SSNs), all in different names, none of them yours. So, you file your taxes using the ITIN in the names that is closest to yours, and specify this on your tax forms.

You send in your forms, and your check, which is cashed immediately. Repeat the next year, and so on.

Now, after FOURTEEN years or so, you get sent a letter, informing you of a tax audit, and demanding you are physically present in Austin, Texas, two weeks from the postmark of the letter (never mind it reached you three months after that, and never mind you're located in Europe, which at that time was denied access to the US due to COVID-19).

So, you get a lawyer, which costs close to US$ 8000. The lawyer contacts the IRS, which continues to insist on an in-person interview in the past.

So, now you're out US$ 8000, and can never travel to the US again.

But, yeah, lovely that they now allow additional login tools...

Re: IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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Is this the same authentication platform that TreasuryDirect uses? edit - looks like no. On the one hand a single sign on to both would have been nice, OTOH TreasuryDirect's authentication system is a PITA.

TreasuryDirect, the site that has case-insensitive passwords, disallows password managers, disallows the use of your actual keyboard to enter your password, and has this dumb on-screen keyboard with tiny keys that ultimately accomplishes nothing? Super trash.

It still amuses me how few people, even those who claim security expertise, don't understand that commercial malware is able to hook the driver stack (and or browser's network stack) and intercept pre-encrypted HTTPS traffic.

Hooking traffic rather than keystrokes is preferred because in order to resell that stolen data the data needs CONTEXT. A stream of keys is difficult to interpret into anything meaningful at scale, whereas "HTTPS POST Request to URI [xyz] with fields [X & Y] with values [J & W]" is very monetizable.

What I am saying is TreasuryDirect's on-screen keyboard "security" stuff is complete nonsense, it has no technical merit at all. None. Worse still it also hurts users of accessible technologies, touch-screens, or users using password managers (essentially promoting password re-use, a common problem).

Re: IRS to adopt Login.gov as user authentication tool

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I'm a foreigner (yes, I know, sorry, sorry) who is a "US Person" and thus needs to (and, to be perfectly clear, is happy to, I'm sorry, I'm not-sorry, I'm sorry about being not-sorry?) pay US income tax. The IRS system is, by far, the worst I've ever had to deal with, and in this I'm comparing the US to countries like Rwanda, where, for some weird reason, I'm also required to pay taxes. Getting an ITIN (sort-of like…

> The IRS system is, by far, the worst I've ever had to deal with

That's by design

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