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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by ghostwriter »

chasd00 wrote: post #156
a0-prw wrote: post #20

The accreditation process was already halted, so nothing new has happened. Nord Stream 2 will eventually deliver cheap gas to Germany. This is just political theatre. Wait till Russia stops sending gas through Ukraine and paying Ukraine billions for the privilege (a move that can be easily justified from the Russian side as 'counter sanctions'). Then you'll hear the Germans scream XD

My thought was Russia would retaliate by just turning off the gas supply period. Then I was wondering who could hold out longer, Russia or Europe? I didn’t know until this article and comments that Nordstream 2 was already effectively on pause. I kept waiting for something about the situation to pop up here where I could get opinion and info from actual grownups vs the rest of the internet.

Nord Stream 2: The $11BN Megaproject That's Dividing Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbxGYBY5M8

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by nikolay »

So, US is happy. I wonder if Germans would be. Germany and all EU countries are US puppets. I really don't know why EU needs US. To me, the one reason I don't like my own homeland, Bulgaria to be in EU (just like more than half of my compatriots don't according to polls) is the dependence on US. We were part of the Soviet Union, so, we replaced one dependence with yet another, even worse, I would say. Being in NATO, we have foreign troops on our land - it never happened during USSR! Just like with USSR, we have almost no say in EU politics! Today, Germany sacrificed the interest of its own people to please America! At the end, all this conflict is thanks to Biden who started the Euromaidan by pouring money into the opposition and media, and continued to press Ukraine knowing that Russia had to do something. I'm not a fan of Putin, but given the way America is doing its foreign politics, I feel he's needed to balance one evil with another type of evil. Unfortunately, the EU has no balls! And it's sad!

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by lostmsu »

mercutio2 wrote: post #327
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't know why you got downvoted. All these Americans in this thread can have all the opinions they want. They're not getting screwed by high gas prices right now.

Gas prices are extremely high for Americans this year, also. But it’s true that Russia isn’t a driving force in that.

I think "extremely high" is quite an overstatement.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by lostmsu »

nikolay wrote: post #332

So, US is happy. I wonder if Germans would be. Germany and all EU countries are US puppets. I really don't know why EU needs US. To me, the one reason I don't like my own homeland, Bulgaria to be in EU (just like more than half of my compatriots don't according to polls) is the dependence on US. We were part of the Soviet Union, so, we replaced one dependence with yet another, even worse, I would say. Being in NATO,…

Yeah, dependence is bad. Everyone should be growing their own food, and generating their own energy, and making their own smartphones.

The basis of your point is not grounded in reality since the dawn of civilization.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by stanski »

karpierz wrote: post #289
stanski wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely nothing Ukraine can do but sit and watch Russia do what it wants. They weren't able to defend their Eastern border back when Russia was pretending to not be involved, let alone when they openly are. This is Crimea all over again; the West will keep making noises while Russia effectively annexes further portions of Ukraine.

It's a little more nuanced than "they weren't able to defend their Eastern border". They had to balance between: - Too little force, which would allow the separatists to de-facto control the territories and lead to a Crimea situation. - Too much force, which would lead to a Russia invasion triggered by either: Russians dying in Ukraine (since some Russian soldiers were in the region "on vacation") or conflict on the…

Is it more nuanced though? The moment separatists started taking over Ukrainian territory, they should've attempted to take that back.

Whether they were unable to or not willing to, as you suggest, now things are a lot worse. Either way it was a strategic failure, so yes, they did fail to protect their borders even back then.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by thehappypm »

chasd00 wrote: post #156
a0-prw wrote: post #20

The accreditation process was already halted, so nothing new has happened. Nord Stream 2 will eventually deliver cheap gas to Germany. This is just political theatre. Wait till Russia stops sending gas through Ukraine and paying Ukraine billions for the privilege (a move that can be easily justified from the Russian side as 'counter sanctions'). Then you'll hear the Germans scream XD

My thought was Russia would retaliate by just turning off the gas supply period. Then I was wondering who could hold out longer, Russia or Europe? I didn’t know until this article and comments that Nordstream 2 was already effectively on pause. I kept waiting for something about the situation to pop up here where I could get opinion and info from actual grownups vs the rest of the internet.

Russia doesn’t want to piss off Europe. They’re far better off having Europe depend on their gas.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by Tostino »

bungle wrote: post #78
_ph_ wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuclear plants are not a real replacement to gas. First of all, a lot of gas gets used for heating - nuclear isn't useful there. Then it is used for providing flexible power, to ramp up and down as quickly as possible to follow the production of renewables. Only a small fraction of the gas goes into "base load" usage. So the government might look into the nuclear power plants to dampen the price level for electricity…

> First of all, a lot of gas gets used for heating - nuclear isn't useful there All electricity basically turns to heat at some point. So why not?

And heat pumps work much better than induction generally.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by thehappypm »

modo_mario wrote: post #215
_ph_ wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one-child policy over many years was not only successful in stopping the population growth but also completely distorted the age structure of the population. So a large part of the Chinese population is going to retire in a few years leaving behind a comparatively small work force.

I wonder what their plan is for cushioning this. I heard they have efforts to entice people to have kids again but the now more urbanised and educated population isn't big on it. I also wonder how this will impact certain regions differently since for example the now very famous Uyghurs and some other minorities were exempt from one child policy till it ended in 2016. Will their regions fare better economically or is…

Might suggest they’re interested in creating a disease that mostly kills those too old to work.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by thehappypm »

lm28469 wrote: post #211
Loic wrote: post #53

My personal opinion: All this Ukraine stuff is also supported by China. I bet they are ready to buy Russian oil and gas to compensate even if this costs them more than getting them from the open market. Why? Because this is a wonderful test drive to check how the West (sorry for the approximation) is reacting to a country theoretically supported by the West being invaded by another one. For me, the next one on the li…

> Because this is a wonderful test drive to check how the West It's also a test to see what's left of America's power after the Afghanistan debacle.

This conflict hardly involves US interests. We’re involved insofar as our allies may need us to help them, but Ukraine is not important to the US

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by ezconnect »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #303
vadertemp wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US has not deployed to Ukraine because its not in its national interest whereas Russia does have an immediate security concern with NATO expansion to its borders after the end of the cold war. US has deployments all over the world after WWII in order to bully and protect its own interests. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...

US deployments aren’t generally against the will of host nations. There certainly is plenty of coercion involved in having so many deployments, but plenty of it has to do with strategic alliances.

Syria and South American countries have US military by force.
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