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Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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At someone point in the last two years I stopped watching the news, because it was just an endless stream of useless information about COVID. I’m not sure I felt better, but it certainly saves some time. Point 3 is spot on, most of the commentators have no idea about what going to happen. At best their guesses a marginally better than my own. Once you realise this, watching debates between journalist and political co…

But you can't fill 24 hours of "news cycle" without lots of nonsensical filler! Sometimes, the world just doesn't agree with that requirement, so they have to make material.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Most of the day to day of the news reel is basically Reality TV.

Firstly, the Cable news stations (CNN, Fox News) aren't news programs - despite the name - they are talk shows. It's Maury for politics.

The broadcast news, that's news. But it's not without its problems. Whenever I would over hear my mom watching it - it's so shocking how it's done. some of my gripes, based on what little I've seen over the past few years:

- The tone of the newscaster has changed - they don't sound like they're just reporting it - there's emotion or gravitas in their voice that make what they're saying authoritative.

- When they cover politics - especially elections - it's always a fluff piece about the big two candidates. When the democratic primaries for the 2016 election were happening - they'd barely mention anyone but Hillary. You'd have 10 minutes of Hillary, 1 minute of Bernie and 0 minutes of everyone else. Same in 2020, but add Biden. It's no wonder my mom had no idea the other candidates even existed. (and don't get me started on how the candidates make up issues just to debate them - so tricky - pick a hot button topic that is important, but may not be important right now - I think we know the big ones)

- Fear mongering - this goes with the first one I listed. Instead of simply reporting that tragedy happened and giving the facts, they'd just keep the emotional level up. It's a bait and switch. You get drawn in by it and then vote for whoever is going to "fix" everything. The morality of it is, in my opinion, similar to what psychic does - play on the emotion of someones tragedy for money.

And I say all this as someone who doesn't follow the news or politics very closely.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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Yah, much of the news isn't even news, its either punditry, gossip, or fear mongering because something sounds scary (school shootings vs car accidents, hours of pandemic talk without anything new, etc).

So, yes cutting all that BS our is going to make you feel better because in two weeks no one is going to care that $celebrity had $life_event.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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So much to unpack here.

For starters, being informed makes for more interesting conversations with others. It means that you get to reflect on what you stand for, and grow as an individual with an opinion.

News is also the gateway for deeper information. If you stick to just the news, that's one thing, but if you then go deeper into the topic (what is the relationship between Ukraine and Russia?) then you get invaluable context. Without following current events, how would you know what is an important topic to follow?

Finally (but not lastly), news makes you informed when it comes time to vote at the municipal, state, and federal level. If you don't follow the developments in your community, your vote is at best useless, at worst it's harming the democratic process.

Edit: I should be clear on what I mean by news. In the traditional sense, it's reporting on facts, checking sources, and providing two sides to every story. Opinions and partisan "news" are not that.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #4

I fully agree with this. Scanning Google News or a couple of the more professional international news services like BBC / Al Jazeera / Reuters I still feel pretty well informed (and confident that there's usually nothing of immediate consequence to me) but it doesn't grow into "expert analysis" or impact my feelings much. Here's another thing I noticed: how manipulated / manipulative it is. And not just news and I do…

My father tells me - "Why do you care what Andrew Cuomo is doing in New York city?" and it kind of was eye-opening. I really don't. I wish I paid more attention to local news, local politics, and perhaps check-in on international news on a weekly basis. The internet changed all this. When I was growing up, my dad read local newspaper daily. National and international news were briefly covered in the local paper. He'd…

Personally, I've subscribed to several RSS feeds for local/state news outlets in my area. That helps me stay more in touch with local stuff. Then I just do a quick scan of AP News for international stuff.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I didn't write that article, but I certainly could have - I've noticed exactly the same things, and clearly have had some identical conversations with people about the value of "being informed."

The way I describe it is that all you can ever hope for with "following the news" is eventual consistency with some representative subset of world events. I don't know what's happening as it happens, and I don't know everything that's happened, so I'm (by the requirements of reality) both behind and only updated on some events.

I'm just happy being far longer on the "eventual" window and having a somewhat lower amount of representative content.

What I've also learned is that almost everything actually important will filter to me some way or another. It's absolutely impossible to live under a rock if you interact with other people, because they'll ask you about XYZ event. And, often, enjoy updating you if you've not heard about it!

I also agree with the "Read three books" observation - I'd rather someone recommend three books on an interesting topic to me than link me to some hour long video. The books take longer, but I'm likely to have at least some familiarity with the topic, from a few different points, with the books. YouTube will make people think they've got some understanding, when it's largely missing.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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I agree with what the article says about news but I think the same idea is applicable to a wider category of 'flash consumption'. One common example I can think of are the Twitter threads with clickbaity titles claiming to give you knowledge about something in 7-10 140 character chunks. They induce a certain FOMO as you scroll by but leave you with no lasting memory about the subject.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #15

In light of the current situation in Europe I've thought of a rule of thumb I give people about media they consume. If someone is painted as an enemy, and the information you're given makes their actions or motivations seem irrational, you're likely not being given all relevant information. In the same vein as this article, I've also quit Twitter a year ago and it's been great. Pretty much the same effects also.

Except that the "current situation in Europe" actually is being motivated primarily by irrationality. (That's what extreme nationalism amounts to.) And I don't know what kind of ideological contortions you'd need to undergo to conclude that the man who has brought about this situation is not your enemy.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #15

In light of the current situation in Europe I've thought of a rule of thumb I give people about media they consume. If someone is painted as an enemy, and the information you're given makes their actions or motivations seem irrational, you're likely not being given all relevant information. In the same vein as this article, I've also quit Twitter a year ago and it's been great. Pretty much the same effects also.

Except that the "current situation in Europe" actually is being motivated primarily by irrationality. (That's what extreme nationalism amounts to.) And I don't know what kind of ideological contortions you'd need to undergo to conclude that the man who has brought about this situation is not your enemy.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

Re: Things you notice when you quit the news (2016)

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post #7

At someone point in the last two years I stopped watching the news, because it was just an endless stream of useless information about COVID. I’m not sure I felt better, but it certainly saves some time. Point 3 is spot on, most of the commentators have no idea about what going to happen. At best their guesses a marginally better than my own. Once you realise this, watching debates between journalist and political co…

a lot of news is clickbait or junk. Buzzfeed is the pioneer of that.

there's a reason why trust in media is decline

https://www.pewresearch.org/2022/01/05/trust-in-america-do-a...

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