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Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by SECProto »

rusticpenn wrote: post #319
SECProto wrote: post #117

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Counterpoint: I've spent less on my 4 phones over the last ten years than a single new iPhone would cost today, including replacing a couple screens and batteries myself. I'm coming up on time for a new phone, but the iPhone prices have been keeping pace with my cumulative device total price so far. Multiple hours' drive to the nearest apple store, so they offer no timeline advantage for me

Depends on the iphone model. I have an Iphone SE 2 which cost me 400 €.

Didn't know about that model - wasn't on the telecom websites, but it is apparently available in Canada for $576, which is much better (only the price of my last ~2 phones). The cheapest phone I saw and compared with above was an iPhone 13 mini, at $976.

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Post by NoboruWataya »

sorokod wrote: post #459
NoboruWataya wrote: post #346

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> You're not their customer, you're the product. What is really annoying though is that you are their customer. It's sort of understandable when Google or Facebook spy on you and monetise your data to profit from the services that they provide you free of monetary charge to you. With Samsung, you've already handed over a few hundred dollars at least for the product. Spying on you as well is like having their customer…

No offence, but the idea that a company will not try to make money of your private data just because you pay them is naive. Doing so would be comitting the cardinal sin of "leaving money on the table".

There are plenty of paid products and even services out there that do not monetise your data.

Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by scarface74 »

projektfu wrote: post #476
scarface74 wrote: post #218

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Apple’s history goes back over 45 years. Was it the Apple // era, Macs, iPods, iPhones, iPads, Watches, AirPods, etc? What feature phone in 2021 has anything that a modern consumer would find acceptable?

Assuming you want a feature phone because you want something small that isn’t going to monopolize your attention, the Nokia 6300 4G probably fits the bill.

Or a cellular Apple Watch…

Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by tim333 »

southerntofu wrote: post #390
NoboruWataya wrote: post #346

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> You're not their customer, you're the product. What is really annoying though is that you are their customer. It's sort of understandable when Google or Facebook spy on you and monetise your data to profit from the services that they provide you free of monetary charge to you. With Samsung, you've already handed over a few hundred dollars at least for the product. Spying on you as well is like having their customer…

> It's sort of understandable when Google or Facebook spy on you and monetise your data to profit from the services that they provide you free of monetary charge to you. I personally don't like that line of reasoning. If you start to justify abusive behavior in the name of making money you're not giving someone for a "service", it's a small leap to reach the conclusion that abusive behavior (and profiting from it) is…

>If you start to justify abusive behavior...

I use both and am yet to find the "monetise your data" stuff abusive. It's mostly things like trying to show an ad for mortgages if they figure you need a mortgage. Honestly with the various forms of death and hunger and real bad stuff in the world I'd feel a bit of a snowflake freaking out over someone trying to show me an ad for something they figure I may need.

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Post by ksec »

duffyjp wrote: post #530
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This is sad. I was looking at S22 and may be it is finally good enough I could switch away from Apple. Now I need to think again. Doesn't seems like I have much choice. I have been thinking for some time, what does it take for a third Mobile OS platform. While there are millions of Apps, The absolute essential Apps on smartphone seems to have concentrated to less than a hundred?

Honestly there are only a handful of apps I use that couldn't just be a PWA. Maybe it's time for Windows Mobile 2.0.

Yes. But Microsoft seems to have completely given up.

Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by tim333 »

DrBazza wrote: post #402
jiggawatts wrote: post #160

I avoid all things Samsung for a much more important reason: They spy on you mercilessly, up to about the same level as Facebook. For example, they take screenshots of what you watch on your Samsung Televisions! Don't believe me? Take it from them: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-... and https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/insights/ You're not their customer, you're the product.…

The electronics industry has been anti-customer for a long time now. I stopped buying Sony back in the late 90s when all the DVD copy protection started. Then they added Cinavia, and so on. I don't agree with piracy, but I certainly don't agree with being told how I can use something I've purchased. And just yesterday there's the story about Dymo crippling their label printers if it does detect... RFID in their own p…

Anti consumer in some ways but I'm kind of struck on a daily basis with how nice and thoughtfully designed my Apple stuff is. (M1 Air and old SE). I mean if they were really anti consumer then why do they dominate consumer spending? I'm not aware of anyone forcing me to buy this stuff.

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Post by rapnie »

sorokod wrote: post #459
NoboruWataya wrote: post #346

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> You're not their customer, you're the product. What is really annoying though is that you are their customer. It's sort of understandable when Google or Facebook spy on you and monetise your data to profit from the services that they provide you free of monetary charge to you. With Samsung, you've already handed over a few hundred dollars at least for the product. Spying on you as well is like having their customer…

No offence, but the idea that a company will not try to make money of your private data just because you pay them is naive. Doing so would be comitting the cardinal sin of "leaving money on the table".

It is the sad state we've come to in modern-day business. From business savvy to business savagery. Cardinal sin if you don't bash someone's head in, if it makes you a dollar richer.

Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by ComradePhil »

freebuju wrote: post #316
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"Selling your data" is marketing nonsense created for disinformation. Companies like Facebook, Google or even Samsung don't sell data. They collect data and get advertisers to pay them to target ads on their behalf. The user data never leaves their system (unless hacked, but that's a different topic). No, it doesn't bother me that they show me ads about products I'm actually interested in based on what they know abou…

If ad brokers (the Googles of this digital world) ever wanted me to pay attention to them (and their ads), they would give me a toggle to switch ads on and off as I please. As long as a simple choice like this isn't made available to me, then it's uBlock all the way. Or zero interaction from my end with the ad broker's platforms. I recon from an individual perspective, ads are not a game changer to consumer behavior.…

> they would give me a toggle to switch ads on and off as I please

Why would they let you disable ads on their ad-supported platform? There are plans like YouTube premium if you want no ads in there, which I think is worth it and I do pay for it because it is a much better YouTube experience.

By using ad blockers, you are merely taking away from everyone else using the platform. I wish these companies did more to stop ad blockers.

>I recon from an individual perspective, ads are not a game changer to consumer behavior.

That's because from what you wrote, you don't seem to understand how these ad platforms work.

Re: Why I will never buy another Samsung device

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Post by ComradePhil »

fphhotchips wrote: post #388
ComradePhil wrote: post #280

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"Selling your data" is marketing nonsense created for disinformation. Companies like Facebook, Google or even Samsung don't sell data. They collect data and get advertisers to pay them to target ads on their behalf. The user data never leaves their system (unless hacked, but that's a different topic). No, it doesn't bother me that they show me ads about products I'm actually interested in based on what they know abou…

This isn't true. Facebook/Google may not be selling your data, but companies like them absolutely are. Data aggregators exist, and they're all about buying your data, creating data products from them and then selling them on to marketing organisations.

Whichever companies are selling data, they are not like Facebook or Google then. I'd say that they're completely different if they literally collect data and sell copies to third parties. This would be illegal in some parts of the world but sure, maybe some do it.

What I'm saying is that Facebook, Google and Samsung companies are not in the business of selling data like the common disinformation messaging would have you believe.

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