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Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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Sleep is about more than just measuring the time you were asleep. The amount of time spent in N3/4 (Deep Sleep) and REM sleep is very important. The author is using sleep cycle on his phone, which is not a good method of tracking sleep cycles. He says "their ability to wake me in “non-deep” sleep pretty spot on" - you're not in deep sleep in the morning anyway, or very unlikely. So any "app" has a good chance of waki…

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Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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I’ve been using the WHOOP tracker for the last few months. Initially did some work to determine what my baseline was, but every morning you answer a journal (it’s most differentiating feature, imo) where you add things like alcohol, caffeine, melatonin, etc consumption and other things like airline travel, sleeping in same bed, etc. After seeing what is correlated and not, I have had an extreme increase in sleep qual…

double endorse for WHOOP. Their HRV monitoring got me to quit alcohol entirely - haven't had a sip in the last 3 years since

Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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post #34

Don't do this! Sleep tracking/optimisation and generally obsessing over sleep can trigger insomnia for a lot of people. I've had chronic insomnia for two years and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. If your sleep is good enough, leave it alone.

What is important is having a fixed bedtime/wake time so your circadian rhythm settles in. How much sleep you can get in a night? Lucky dip, sometimes you just can't. Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to. Always find it weird how blog oriented a lot of information has become. If you want to know something... why not find the best researcher in the field and get their book.

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Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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Married with kids, I don’t even know where to start with sleep tracking. I had an app that measured movement and noise, but it could be my spouse. I think a watch would work, but I don’t want to wear a watch to sleep

I used to use an Oura ring but the accuracy is actually not so great (Potentially going to get better with new algorithm coming out) and switched to a fitbit charge 5. App is pretty slick and really easy to see your sleep data, also quite a small wearable. There's a youtuber who compares all wearables for accuracy with actual sleep measuring equipment and Fitbit charge 5 is (surprisngly) the most accurate. Here's a l…

Anecdote (and obligatory YMMV): I purchased the Charge 4 when it first came out and after extensive usage, I tossed it in the trash. The final straw for me was when I was having a physical done and compared the HRM data of the watch to what the readings the nurse was getting with her device. The data reported by the Fitbit was wildly inaccurate compared to the readings that the nurse was seeing. I also compared my data to my wife's Apple Watch and noticed large disparities in GPS data when we would go on runs/walks together. In the end, I came to the conclusion that a) if basic heart rate/GPS data is inaccurate, what else is? and b) what's the point of collecting all this data anyway? At the end of the day, it wasn't providing me with anything that fundamentally improved my life and if anything led to more anxiety due to constantly tracking and obsessing over all of this data.

tl;dr - My Charge's data was questionable at times and completely inaccurate compared to a medical grade device. In the end, all the data tracking just gave me anxiety.

Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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Having sleep issues, I set up a Zoom H4N pro inside a 1meter cardboard box to track low frequency (sub base) noise disturbances and was blown away. Tracked many culprits down and still working on a few (need new windows and pushing landlord upon that). But instances of say another flat up in the wee hours banging about, you get a loud thud, you awake and none the wise and with my setup, was not only able to identify that but have evidence to prove that. Even had instance of waking up chocking, which was again due to a short loud thud noise disturbance by another flat.

Equally, noticed changes in flight paths by local airport are seeing some flights use the flight corridor (flying over the country so not originating or departing) at night that also cause resonance in the building.

For my part, I've got insulation, added sound dampening to curtail resonance and some frequencies and sound proofing to best I can. Though low frequency noise is hard to cut out beyond source due to the wavelength and a 100mhz low frequency noise you feel( well I do) and that's a 4 meter long soundwave. So hard to block fully, hence rubber dampening strips to curtail harmonic resonance with the building and in this case, my bedroom which is 4 meters in length.

Sleep is totally very important for physical and mental health and as somebody who is autistic spectrum, it is key to have a routine with sleep playing a huge factor in this.

But I highly recommend recording you night and playing it back and analyzing it with something that you can do spectrum analysis. As seeing a noise trigger you into breathing difficulties, or heart palpitations, or snoring is not good for ones health and being able to identify the issues and address them goes a huge way. Not all issues you can address thru the process's at hand afforded you, but many can and proof is a great asset in progressing that. Not sure if phone best tool to do that as not had great luck myself with those for tracking noise issues, unless blatantly continuous and loud due to microphone's and noise cancelation in such devices as well as varying quality of devices. Equally recording low frequency sounds is not the easiest and in my case, a field recorder inside a box has done the trick nicely, though it is an area of experimentation/learning for myself and still something that may be a better solution. But for me as I had a field recorder, a large cardboard box was a nice cheap modification that did the trick good enough.

Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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post #39

I've never tried the apps that claim to track your sleep, so I will not comment on those. But recently I was about to buy a consumer fitness band until I read a couple of technical reviews that show how they are all essentially worthless except for the Apple watch. Here is reviewed an iOS app but since the Apple watch is not mentioned, I don't know how precise his measurings are. IMHO the phone alone is not enough to…

Post links to the technical reviews, or I will continue to believe you are an Apple sales rep.

Search 'the quantified scientist' on YouTube. He seems a reasonable guy and has uploaded in-depth reviews of most popular fitness bands (Xiaomi, honor, Huawei, etc).

I'm not affiliated with him, nor with apple.

Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to. Personal anecdote here. I've read his book. It's good, it's interesting, and it made me realise how much more I should try to get more and better sleep. I'm a night person. For months I tried each and every technique out there to move my sleep schedule back since I have to wake up in the morning against my natural rhythm. I started panicking and I went from 4-6h sleep per…

I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype? Shouldn't you just have a fixed, later bedtime. To maximize REM sleep etc?

> I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype?

I still don't buy this as an idea, an unchangeable genetic (?) marker that defines "night person" or "morning person". I think we make choices and habits, and these are really just a part of personality.

Re: Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech

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post #56

Having sleep issues, I set up a Zoom H4N pro inside a 1meter cardboard box to track low frequency (sub base) noise disturbances and was blown away. Tracked many culprits down and still working on a few (need new windows and pushing landlord upon that). But instances of say another flat up in the wee hours banging about, you get a loud thud, you awake and none the wise and with my setup, was not only able to identify…

There’s sound dampening as a route. Have you tried ear plugs? It won’t block all frequencies, but might be a low investment, high return area. Or adding background noise? I’ve used brown noise before and it seemed to help. No idea how to help with the low frequencies though. At least, not that wouldn’t make your apartment/flat a problem to those around it.

Sleep is a fundamental need for everyone. For me, it’s migraines that I could say I need to focus on sleep to ameliorate. For you, it’s “the spectrum”. It’s really just being a living being that makes sleep fundamental.

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