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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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You check the loaded script itself to see if it matches an expected pattern.

Does there need to be a loaded script with a certain fingerprint? What if they are just passing data from the browser to some random endpoint? I'm not sure, just thoughts.

There needs to be a script because the tracking still happens client-side and there will be some logic involved. The only way to avoid being blocked by the browser is to track server-side.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Streetcars and public transport in general should never be run on a for profit basis.

> public transport in general should never be run on a for profit basis Japan seems to do fine [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Japan

"can be run on a profit" and "should only be run if it is profitable" are very, very different things.

Infrastructure like trains or roads are a huge net benefit to society already, if they can make a profit too that's neat but it shouldn't be the goal.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Yes a Google employee could go work elsewhere. But is there an equally well paid position at a more ethical company? As far as I can tell, all FANGs are as unethical as each other

I don't understand the reasoning here. How does being paid more justify unethical acting? Especially since you are getting by very very well in the tech industry in general. Isn't that like saying "I'm kicking puppies all day, but it's paying enough to finance the second Lamborghini, so how could I decide against it"? (If you were referring to moral offsetting, that could indeed work, assuming you donate enough to ch…

How does being paid more justify unethical acting?

Honestly, it doesn't. But trying to appeal to someone already working in an unethical position isn't going to work - that person themselves is unethical. Like most things, the driving force will be down to economics and prestige. What else is keeping that employee at Google? I doubt it is loyalty

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I know, every time it fails, it's not true communism. There was a running joke in communist countries on this subject too: There was once an important communist dignitary who was treating a sick cow. After the cow died, he said: "What a shame, I had so many more ideas to try!".

Please reply to my direct question. In which way did the USSR under Stalin allow worker control of the means of production? This isn't a changing of goalposts, it is simply ignoring obvious lies and propaganda from a regime famous for its lack of regard for the truth.

Through factory committees.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Two quick examples would be the left party consider the secret mass surveillance by government entities to be wrong on multiple levels and is continuously criticising the government for it. Another would be that the same group of parties consider the government being too slow to implement carbon taxation and other measures to prevent further damages due to climate change.

I mean the original ones, that you consider right-wing.

It's a continuation of the thread started by OP:

> [...] ineffectual administration [...]

Those two words are verbatim what our right-wing parties use to describe the EU as a whole, especially when arguing why we should do our own Brexit and leave the union because we are better on our own.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Maybe this will drive people back to Firefox? It's a perfect opportunity for Mozilla to do a marketing drive... oh, wait, they are busy partnering with Facebook (er, Meta) to do advertising stuff. Sigh.

Don't forget force-installing addons like Pocket as a service.. and.. Disney.

If only some (former?) Mozilla workers setup a workers coop that relies solely on donations to produce a decent web browser... Something like what The Document Foundation did for Libreoffice sounds like a good economic model.

I'd be more than happy to donate 10€/month (though i'm really not rich) to keep business incentives outside of the web in at least one well-supported browser. I'm sure there's other likeminded folks. But donating money to help COs and managers make in a month what i make in several years*? Never.

EDIT: Just to be clear i'm explicitly not talking about Brave which is an advertisement company investing in so-called cryptocurrencies, both of which is a redflag for a web browser (although they have some cool tech to showcase).

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Looks like the only sane thing to do is to block routes to GAFAM AS directly on your router instead of relying on DNS tricks. I knew people doing that over ten years ago and i thought they were kind of crazy, but in retrospect they were right all along. What if your website is hosted by Google Cloud Engine or AWS, should we block it? I certainly would. Please find a decent host that does not use their customers as hu…

Blocking all GCP and AWS hosted sites is about as effective as turning off all javascript. It reduces the usable set of sites on the web to basically worthlessness.

I've found the web to be very enjoyable without Javascript. Some sites don't work but fortunately they're usually of the SEO-clickbait kind without any sort of interesting content. I'm already blocked by many providers for using tor, which is a redflag for abusive behavior on their part.

I just wish we had a manifesto, automated test suite, and dedicated search engine for websites that respect their users.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Indeed. That's exactly what our marketing department does. Our product helps our customers comply with the law. The law created the need, we're just trying to make our customers lives easier by assisting them with complying. So our marketing team focuses on informing potential customers what it takes to be in compliance as few are well aware of what it takes, and how our product can help with that.

Wow, that's quite the self justification story. Your customers were required to comply with the law, whether or not your company exist. Whether you help them or not is up for debate, what isn't up for debate is that you sell them something, which they may need but not necessarily so. It's not your product that they need, it is compliance. Making their lives easier is great: as long as your product doesn't mess up, at…

> Your customers were required to comply with the law, whether or not your company exist.

Indeed. And a lot of companies don't know that they have to, to what degree, or how to do so effectively.

> It's not your product that they need, it is compliance.

It's true they don't need our product. But it can absolutely help them, by spending less time and resources on compliance and the surrounding processes.

But they can't get all those benefits if they don't know we exist.

> Seriously: this is a fantastic example of how being on one side of such a story you might lose objectivity

I really struggle to see how you can come to that conclusion without having seen our product or our marketing.

> [If] I wanted to know whether your product is useful or not the last party I would trust is your marketing department.

But if you didn't know about our product, you certainly couldn't evaluate if it was useful or not. Without word-of-mouth, how would you even find our product?

To be fair, word-of-mouth worked very well for a long time. But there are still a lot of companies out there who aren't in compliance because they don't know any better, and a lot who still use a lot of time on compliance that could be spent on their core business instead.

What's wrong with trying to tell those companies that our product exists?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I mean the original ones, that you consider right-wing.

It's a continuation of the thread started by OP: > [...] ineffectual administration [...] Those two words are verbatim what our right-wing parties use to describe the EU as a whole, especially when arguing why we should do our own Brexit and leave the union because we are better on our own.

But that's the phraseology. You specifically mentioned reasons / attitudes.

If this is another "dog whistle" argument, I think you need far more evidence before you smear another user what you assume their motivations are; It's possible to use terminology borrowed from right-wing parties, language is free to use - and ThalesX has explicitly stated their position.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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post #865

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It's a continuation of the thread started by OP: > [...] ineffectual administration [...] Those two words are verbatim what our right-wing parties use to describe the EU as a whole, especially when arguing why we should do our own Brexit and leave the union because we are better on our own.

But that's the phraseology. You specifically mentioned reasons / attitudes. If this is another "dog whistle" argument, I think you need far more evidence before you smear another user what you assume their motivations are; It's possible to use terminology borrowed from right-wing parties, language is free to use - and ThalesX has explicitly stated their position.

Care to clarify your question?
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