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Why I Like Java (2014)

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Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by thrower123 »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #12
smoyer wrote: post #11

You can write a pretty trivial Java program to copy stdin to stdout but Java is still one of the enterprise languages and people writing enterprise applications don't tend to write this type of software (but they do tend to have log4j vulnerabilities). The strengths of Java are its mature dependency management system(s), its comprehensive standard library and the vast ecosystem of third-party libraries. A better test…

People say this but where do you find libs for Java? Python has pip, JS/Node has NPM

One of the nice things about Java and C# is that they tend to have "chunkier" dependencies, that aren't split out into an interlocking tree of dependencies deep and wide.

For the most part, anyway... Things are kind of gross if you are trying to use newer nuget packages on the old 4.8 .net framework...

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by dlandis »

marktangotango wrote: post #70

Java: plentiful well paying jobs, good/great tools, good/great runtime. Personally, I like boring, predictable, "easy" (referring to low cognitive overhead of statically typed languages in general) for work, and save the fun stuff (lisp/scheme in my case) for personal projects.

Also, it bears mentioning that there has been a lot of momentum around new language feature in the past 5 or so years.

Good overview here: https://advancedweb.hu/new-language-features-since-java-8-to...

And many other changes in the pipeline too..

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by Un1corn »

smoyer wrote: post #11

You can write a pretty trivial Java program to copy stdin to stdout but Java is still one of the enterprise languages and people writing enterprise applications don't tend to write this type of software (but they do tend to have log4j vulnerabilities). The strengths of Java are its mature dependency management system(s), its comprehensive standard library and the vast ecosystem of third-party libraries. A better test…

I'm really not sure I would call Java's standard library comprehensive. I've only worked with it for a few months but needed many Apache commons libraries.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by commandlinefan »

marktangotango wrote: post #70

Java: plentiful well paying jobs, good/great tools, good/great runtime. Personally, I like boring, predictable, "easy" (referring to low cognitive overhead of statically typed languages in general) for work, and save the fun stuff (lisp/scheme in my case) for personal projects.

If I have to maintain/modify _somebody elses_ code - dear god, please let it be java.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by jcadam »

I've found Kotlin to be a fantastic Java substitute. Fully compatible with Spring and seamless interop with Java.

Though I prefer Clojure where that's possible.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by Consultant32452 »

ReleaseCandidat wrote: post #46
Consultant32452 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would submit that any language that reaches the level of adoption that Java does will be considered boring. The human mind has a tendency to prefer new/fresh things, particularly for people high in trait openness (big 5 personality traits).

> I would submit that any language that reaches the level of adoption that Java does will be considered boring. I know of nobody who would call Javascript or C++ boring ;). Or compare COBOL (boring) with Fortran if you prefer something from the past.

I don't know anyone who is excited about learning C++. The excitement around JS is trying to make it not be like JS.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by ModernMech »

> If it takes ten times as much code as it would to program in Haskell, that is all right, because the IDE will generate half of it for you, and you are still being paid to write the other half.

Well that explains it. For me, I’m not going to touch Java unless I’m being paid to do it. IMO it’s a travesty that Java is the language of the AP test, because it really leaves the impression in young people that all of programming is Java. If that were the case, I’d be as far away from programming and computers as I could get.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by commandlinefan »

jordanpg wrote: post #2

> write a program that copies standard input to standard output This is pretty trivial in Java, just as in other languages. But most people don't ever need to learn the low level `System` methods needed to do it. To me, this highlights the difference between a comprehensive approach to learning a language and a more piecemeal one. I learned Java by reading the canonical books from cover to cover, like Effective Java.…

I learned Java from the “Core Java” books 20 years ago. The language has changed so much since that I’m tempted to pick up another “Java from scratch” series and read it cover to cover to see how new developers are viewing the language now.

Re: Why I Like Java (2014)

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Post by stepbeek »

JavaOnlyGuy wrote: post #27
smoyer wrote: post #11

You can write a pretty trivial Java program to copy stdin to stdout but Java is still one of the enterprise languages and people writing enterprise applications don't tend to write this type of software (but they do tend to have log4j vulnerabilities). The strengths of Java are its mature dependency management system(s), its comprehensive standard library and the vast ecosystem of third-party libraries. A better test…

No isNullOrEmptyString method, no Set operations, Java didn't have a good HTTP library until Java 11, no lazy file reading, unless you use InputStream which is a pain. vast majority of mediocre libraries and one man libraries. We use Spring because it uses the best libraries, so the other ones are discarded. Java being around for so long doesn't have a lot of convenience methods like others do languages do, like the…

What’s C# and .Net really like on Linux now? I know Microsoft says it’s great but I’m once bitten twice shy after trusting that Azure would be good.

I am happy to try different languages but I will never again support a Windows Server over a Linux VM.

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