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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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We're presumably speaking about a shared bathroom in your home, not about travel accommodation. It would infringe upon a fundamental need for privacy that people have: having a space that is yours alone, where you are free to do whatever, without being observed by others. I've seen some (studio) apartments that have a private bathroom that outside the front door, but still inside the building. I would very much disli…

I lived in a dorm for 2 years in college. Not only did I not have a private bathroom, but I also had a roommate, so really I had no reliably private place at all. It was fine. I mean occasionally privacy would be nice, but I also enjoyed the increased sense of community in the dorms. Maybe you'd hate this, but that doesn't make it a violation of human rights or anything.

This doesn't make much sense. Sorry.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

They don't even keep out low skilled workers as they don't need much IQ, at least for a worker who is repeatedly solving them and was thought the best approach to do so.

What they keep out is people with Discalculia, which are in no way stupid or low IQ, just can't to math well. (They also would probably be able to do it, but probably take to long and/or get offended enough to not do it).

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

I have met people who can't and people who won't. Also, a lot of people in their 50s and above aren't solving this.

I’m 43. What exactly happens once I turn 50 that I will no longer be able to add a couple of single digit numbers?

Incidentally, how old are you, and do you have any involvement with IT hiring?

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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post #165

I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

Not sure I agree with your “opressive” high-IQ developers spin, but it’s clear that whoever implements this kind of captcha (even the not-so-challenging ones) doesn’t give a shit about user experience and deserve to metaphorically-speaking, burn in hell. I think it’s just an example for how developers should not make decisions about UI or UX in general. It doesn’t really matter how hard to solve the captcha is, it sh…

There are some very American ones such as the fire hydrants that really catch me out as someone who's not American, I can only imagine what it's like for those with English as a second language.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

I wonder if they are doing businesses in the EU especially Germany, because then they would be pretty much in breach of the German constitution and even admitting to doing so intentionally...

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[edited to remove a bit of my comment because it did actually come across as rude, my apologies] Summing dice together is not the only ability you need to solve this puzzle. It's not the totality of what is being tested. In other words, it's instructive to consider why a computer struggles to solve it with this particular photographic presentation, and why a person might.

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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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> Their audio captcha (no longer available?) involved listening to 3 MIDI tunes and picking "the sad one". Given that a large part of the world doesn't use the major/minor dichotomy, or even equal temperament, this seems like a terrible way to verify someone is a human... My favourite recaptchas, if one can have such a thing, are the shape sequence selection ones as they don't make significant assumptions about cultu…

The best one is the chinese captcha, I think. You just slide a puzzle piece into place.

Chinese captchas can be much worse when you're on domestic websites, to the point where I need to get my wife to solve it for me because I'm not sure which character doesn't have a specific stroke

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

I personaly know some people for whom solving OP's puzzle would require enough effort and take long enough that they'd just complain and drop it.

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I've never understood this concept. Reddit is the worst, though at least you can argue that they probably have all the figures to back up the idea that engagement is much higher when they push someone onto the app. For a travel app which you are only using a few times a year I can't imagine this holds. It seems like it's product managers justifying their investment in the native applications in a lot of cases.

A company I worked for in the past explicitly made the mobile web version worse so people would use the app. They did it because with the app they could send offers through push notifications. Ugh.

I don't know why so many people leave so many notifications active. I've even had people tell me that lack of notifications are the reason they don't like just using web sites on mobile.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

A High-IQ Software developer:

- Calculates the sum on the first picture

- Reads the instructions

- Reads the instructions again

- Stares at the six pictures for one second

- Closes the page

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