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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about. But there are others more obvious issues mentioned by the unions by international trucking - they have to compete with companies utilizing slave labour and sometimes even cases of trafficking. Hence my point that benefits of the EU is highly individual. Many have surely won, such as large companies, and many have lost. >So what did th…

> I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about. You presented it as a (I presume good) example of your point. So I'm asking you because it definitly does not sound logical. > Enable all european truckers to work anywhere. That's not an answer to the question what the EU has to do with cheap gas prices in countries like Poland being a issue for a Swedish truck driver. A Polish tru…

>You presented it as a (I presume good) example of your point. So I'm asking you because it definitly does not sound logical.

It doesn't sound logical to you that companies based in Sweden who endure some of the highest gas prices in the world does not want to compete with companies based out of eastern european companies with far cheaper gas - because they could just fill the tank outside of Sweden themselves?

As I said previously, I'm not a trucker myself, so I don't wanna go into the specifics, but that is one reason their union cites among others. And I don't find it THAT hard to imagine that no, it is not as simple as to just fill your tank outside of the country where the competition does.

> but that gap has also been largely plugged [1].

Your source is a proposal, critized by western unions as mentioned by your own posts. The proposal went through a compromise but is still being challenged in court by eastern european nations [1]. Anyway its too late, considering the EU is currently in a trucking crisis, that's what happens when you undercut a workforce for decades and suddenly demand increases rapidly.

>Its relevant because if it's a real problem Sweden can lower taxes on the gas prices in order to remain competitive. That's not something the EU needs to do.

And Sweden has high gas prices to try combat climate change, but it can lower those measures to be able to be competetive with the EU? How does this lead to an overall 'net benefit' through the EU, generally and individually, when the ecosystem collapses?

>My point is that local politicians are quick to point to the EU. However it wasn't local politicians that managed to for example get the mobile roaming fee's gone for good. If you want to have a laugh just look at the UK. Vodafone et al said the roaming costs wouldn't return after brexit. Yet somehow the roaming costs are back for UK citizens...

I was in UK when brexit came through and I still remember all the headlines about how severe and devastating the consequences were gonna be, yet I've still to see them realize. My question is, in the case of Vodafone, why wouldnt one company just not use roaming costs and undercut the competitors?

[1] https://www.europaportalen.se/2021/03/sverige-backar-nya-tra....

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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>a huge net positive A huge net positive for buisness, that's for sure. There are currently over 25,000 lobbyists in Brussels and Berlin [1]. As for the citizens, that is up to debate, and highly individual. Truckers in Sweden, for example, that currently find themselves competing with truckers from all over europe who also fill the tank in countries with far cheaper gas, cant really be said to enjoy positive gain fr…

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I think it's going to be important to recognize and block javascript/wasm by the bytecode it compiles down to. As far as I know we don't have this ability to "jump into" the process. ublock or umatrix can't be extended to do this currently. You could send the scripts the browser downloads to an outside service for fingerprinting, but doing this in the same browser isn't possible right now.

This wouldn't completely stop a server from generating code that compiles to slightly different bytecode. Then the move would be to identify side effects of the execution?

Cat and mouse...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

Any website can ingest data and then pass it off to another 3rd party. This has been possible since the dawn of the internet and very common. There is absolutely nothing new here. The technical workings of how data is collected on websites is completely orthogonal to legal doctrine that protects user privacy.

the "new" thing is that it's been pushed by Google, hence made a lot easier

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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God damn... this is it, this is the end-game. There's no way to fight this unless you customize and maintain blocking scripts for each individual website. Yes, websites could always have done this, but the REST (CDN-bypassing) requests' cost and the manual maintenance for the telemetry endpoints and storage was an impediment that Google just gives them a drop-in solution for :( I think Google is happy to eat some of…

It was clear this was going to happen for more than a decade now. I'm surprised it took them so long to really push for this. I'm just reiterating what I said back then: There's no point in wasting any time and resources into a stupid technical cat and mouse game to fix this. The only sensible way to deal with this stuff is through legislation.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

Google explains the purpose of server-side tagging here: https://developers.google.com/tag-platform/tag-manager/serve... The main benefits are performance and security (performance because the tagging can be online with other resource requests, so user agents aren't pausing on additional requests to third-party resources). This system is giving site owners a fancy way to do analytics they could build into their own s…

I agree, thought it has to be done properly (and most marketers are not used to that currently)

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#637

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Believing Google values privacy over profits is a bit naive I’d say.

Nevertheless it could be strictly better: the new version gives the OPTION to share less data, whereas the old version does not really give you the option. If you include third party scripts, they can just send the information to third parties directly. Google could also be audited and would then have to prove that they really didn't share ay data, or whatever.

the big difference is that I cannot audit the websites using this new version of GTM (and I don't trust marketers)

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#638

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By using Cname uncloaking that uBlockOrigin can do on Firefox. It should see that the real domain is Google Tag Manager.

I think the article mentions that Google recommends against using Cname for this, and using A records instead.

> Google recommends against using Cname for this

So use Cname? :D

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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post #571

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In Eastern Europe before joining the EU, the most anti EU parties were the "ex"- communist and neomarxist and the conservative parties couldn't wait to get in. There can be 2 explanations why this has changed today. 1. The "ex"-communist and neomarxist parties became enlightened democrats and the conservatives changed to nationalistic anti democrats. 2. Something changed within the EU, which made it a suitable enviro…

You should also note that across much of Eastern Europe, the "ex"-"communist" and "neomarxist" parties were always either nationalistic and populist (e.g. the PDSR/PSD in Romania) or subservient to Russia. This means that there was a very easy pivot from "communist" parties to far-right ultranationalism, usually with a good dash of oligarchy, authoritarianism, and/or kleptocracy which also characterized the old regim…

Yes, communist never had troubles with nationalism. And communism is by definition a populist ideology. The legendary elusive communist who shapeshift the moment one points a finger at one (no true communism), is more of an idea of western leftists.

Unfortunately the communist ideals are very much alive and well, especially in those countries where communism arose from within, without an external force.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#640

Server-side tracking has been around for a while (indeed this article is dated Nov 15, 2020; and of course, you could argue simply parsing your Apache/nginx logs to get visitor stats has existed forever). The article I think conflates several different pieces. There's probably a few actual use cases marketers may care about for tagging/tracking/analytics: 1. Simplest: I want to know how many people use my site/app, h…

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