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Re: Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

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Post by NolF »

ErrantX wrote: post #8

It confuses me somewhat how they can claim copyright over documents that are thousands of years old :S http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg Copyright in the digital images of the manuscripts, created by the Israel Museum and displayed on this site, is held by the Israel Museum. Reproducing these digital images in any manner other than for research or private study requires prior permission or licensing. The Wik…

It's how copyright works unfortunately :( The creator of the content/picture own that picture unless they state it otherwise. Considering the nature of the document, it should be considered of public domain due to the broad public interest the document has.

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Post by alanh »

ErrantX wrote: post #8

It confuses me somewhat how they can claim copyright over documents that are thousands of years old :S http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg Copyright in the digital images of the manuscripts, created by the Israel Museum and displayed on this site, is held by the Israel Museum. Reproducing these digital images in any manner other than for research or private study requires prior permission or licensing. The Wik…

> We've long held that faithful digital reproductions of 2D copyrighted work simply inherit the copyright of the original.

IANAL but I believe there was a U.S. court case upholding this view, in which a museum attempted to claim copyright on images of artwork made available on their website, and lost a resulting case.

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Post by ErrantX »

NolF wrote: post #11
ErrantX wrote: post #8

It confuses me somewhat how they can claim copyright over documents that are thousands of years old :S http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg Copyright in the digital images of the manuscripts, created by the Israel Museum and displayed on this site, is held by the Israel Museum. Reproducing these digital images in any manner other than for research or private study requires prior permission or licensing. The Wik…

It's how copyright works unfortunately :( The creator of the content/picture own that picture unless they state it otherwise. Considering the nature of the document, it should be considered of public domain due to the broad public interest the document has.

Not necessarily. In the US, for example, this is not true (and this is the only place I know of it being tested in court). It was ruled that faithful reproductions of 2D works lacked originality (even if they required work to produce) and so PD work does not become copyrightable :)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_....

So in the US, certainly, I doubt this is copyrightable.

Re: Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

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Post by ErrantX »

alanh wrote: post #13
ErrantX wrote: post #8

It confuses me somewhat how they can claim copyright over documents that are thousands of years old :S http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg Copyright in the digital images of the manuscripts, created by the Israel Museum and displayed on this site, is held by the Israel Museum. Reproducing these digital images in any manner other than for research or private study requires prior permission or licensing. The Wik…

> We've long held that faithful digital reproductions of 2D copyrighted work simply inherit the copyright of the original. IANAL but I believe there was a U.S. court case upholding this view, in which a museum attempted to claim copyright on images of artwork made available on their website, and lost a resulting case.

Yep. Bridgeman v. Corel.

Re: Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

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Post by keeperofdakeys »

ErrantX wrote: post #8

It confuses me somewhat how they can claim copyright over documents that are thousands of years old :S http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg Copyright in the digital images of the manuscripts, created by the Israel Museum and displayed on this site, is held by the Israel Museum. Reproducing these digital images in any manner other than for research or private study requires prior permission or licensing. The Wik…

It is the copyright of the images themselves, not the documents. The irony of it is, since they own the original pieces, they can prevent you from taking photos.

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Post by jpdoctor »

lotharbot wrote: post #10
blendergasket wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlcodex.html - The Nag Hammadi Codex. Gnostic scriptures, some of which are of the Gnostic Christian varieties that were circulating around the time of Jesus and after. These offer a fascinating counterpoint to the officialized, hierarchical Christian dogma the ideas of the time were honed into.

Gnostic and other "non-canonical" writings are also of interest. www.earlychristianwritings.com/ is another quite fascinating source, with lots of letters and such. (Neither site seems to have manuscript scans, unfortunately.) I would love to see a good source on the "circulating around the time of Jesus" claim. I've never been able to track down anything credible on that front. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-G…

> Gnostic and other "non-canonical" writings are also of interest. www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Is there any tl;dr versions of the above? I have curiousity about noncanonical writings, but don't have the time or inclination to go out and become a scholar of such things in order to sift wheat from chaff.

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Post by photophotoplasm »

jpdoctor wrote: post #17
lotharbot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnostic and other "non-canonical" writings are also of interest. www.earlychristianwritings.com/ is another quite fascinating source, with lots of letters and such. (Neither site seems to have manuscript scans, unfortunately.) I would love to see a good source on the "circulating around the time of Jesus" claim. I've never been able to track down anything credible on that front. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-G…

> Gnostic and other "non-canonical" writings are also of interest. www.earlychristianwritings.com/ Is there any tl;dr versions of the above? I have curiousity about noncanonical writings, but don't have the time or inclination to go out and become a scholar of such things in order to sift wheat from chaff.

I've read a few non-canonical writings from that time (I'm a Christian). The most interesting orthodox writings are probably the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas. Among the unorthodox writings, probably the Gospel of Thomas and the Sophia of Jesus Christ. The Sophia of Jesus Christ being particularly, erm, "interesting".

Re: Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

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Post by photophotoplasm »

lotharbot wrote: post #10
blendergasket wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlcodex.html - The Nag Hammadi Codex. Gnostic scriptures, some of which are of the Gnostic Christian varieties that were circulating around the time of Jesus and after. These offer a fascinating counterpoint to the officialized, hierarchical Christian dogma the ideas of the time were honed into.

Gnostic and other "non-canonical" writings are also of interest. www.earlychristianwritings.com/ is another quite fascinating source, with lots of letters and such. (Neither site seems to have manuscript scans, unfortunately.) I would love to see a good source on the "circulating around the time of Jesus" claim. I've never been able to track down anything credible on that front. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-G…

> I would love to see a good source on the "circulating around the time of Jesus" claim. I've never been able to track down anything credible on that front.

Me too. The earliest writings I know of are Paul's letters and possibly the Didache, and neither of them were written until a couple of decades after Jesus' ministry.

Re: Dead Sea Scrolls Now Available Online

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Post by Sabaqa2011 »

Definitely still worth seeing in person if you can. Many people are unaware they were written by an estranged puritanical sect of the ancient Israelites that were not accepted by the mainstream community, which is why the scrolls were found in Qumran, and not Jerusalem.

Another important related issue is that the Dead Sea is losing one meter of water/year and will shrivel to the size of a small lake in 50 years if we do nothing.

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,71715312001_20...

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