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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by formerly_proven »

shadowgovt wrote: post #513
formerly_proven wrote: post #423

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I some cases the "people do illegal things regardless" argument can hold some water, but that's not the case for the GDPR, which is worded very clearly and hence it's really obvious that this kind of thing violates it. Most of these banners violate the GDPR even before they're showing up, because the GDPR actually restricts your ability to embed non-first-party content without consent. That's why Google Fonts violate…

> which is worded very clearly Hard disagree. I've been racking my brain as of late trying to decide if default apache access logs violate the GDPR, and stackexchange searches on the topic seem to confirm the confusion. If the legality of data collection hinges on what is considered necessary for service maintenance in the eye of a judge, the law is not clear.

You can keep such logs under article 6.1.f if the retention period is 30 days or less (causing self-fulfillment of article 17) or indefinitely if you remove/anonymize PII from them. Of course article 17.3 gives you an exemption for various purposes, e.g. if you had a breach you don't need to delete the logs from that period while investigating it.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by jevgeni »

avgcorrection wrote: post #432
dxdm wrote: post #289

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> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

Really fits the EU fan stereotype to immediately complain that someone expressing their subjective opinion “aids populists”. Maybe they are wrong that the EU is ineffectual. If so, just argue against that.

You're not exactly leading by example, arguing off a stereotype...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #382
niels_bom wrote: post #346

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Believing Google values privacy over profits is a bit naive I’d say.

Nevertheless it could be strictly better: the new version gives the OPTION to share less data, whereas the old version does not really give you the option. If you include third party scripts, they can just send the information to third parties directly. Google could also be audited and would then have to prove that they really didn't share ay data, or whatever.

In the old way, site owners who did not want to send data to 3rd parties could just NOT insert the "send data to 3rd parties" code into their website

Now they still have that option, but users have no technical means to determine whether this is happening

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

saiya-jin wrote: post #359
prox wrote: post #307

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I agree. I understand people like to talk in this way to show their emotional connection to the topic, but it’s not very helpful and like you mention, too absolute. It’s a system in progress, and we need to be invested in its ideals (fair, just, democratic)

Most often such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence in past few years. A prime example is Czech republic, a very euro-skeptical nation despite all the benefits it brought them. Hungary would be another one. That being said, as somebody coming from east too and seeing clearly all the direct and indirect benefits of EU, its far from ideal. The whole concept o…

> such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence

Speaking as an American (and a Swissman), the country that has done the most to undermine the EU has been Germany. First with austerity. Next by hyperventilating over nuclear. Then by implementing the results of said hyperventilation by vacillating over Russia. Almost pathologically, it has been Berlin putting its interests ahead of Europe that has caused Brussels’ stumbles.

If these issues weren’t blocked (nor the common defence and deposit insurance schemes) nationalism in Eastern Europe wouldn’t be as pressing.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by jevgeni »

thirdvect0r wrote: post #499
RamblingCTO wrote: post #490

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That's definitely not trolling, that's just correct. We have nice laws and stuff, but it's not widely enforced and almost all websites do not implement these laws correctly. So why is it trolling? You also need to enforce it and make it hurt.

Twitter has convinced everyone on the Internet that people who have even midly divergent views about their government of choice are "Russian bots".

No, Russian bots convinced everyone to suspect diverging opinions to be Russian bots.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by maccard »

heavyset_go wrote: post #77
hilbert42 wrote: post #47

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"I don't have the time or energy to block JavaScript and/or manually inspect each domain's requests to figure out if they use server-side tracking or not." By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. On occasions when I need JS (only about 3-5% of sites)…

> By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. Years ago I was on the "people who block JavaScript are crazy" bandwagon, until just loading a single news article online meant waiting for a dozen ads and autoplaying videos to load. I spent more time waitin…

uBlock Origin solves the problem you had too, without breaking multiple sites.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by rndgermandude »

nickpp wrote: post #425
mhoad wrote: post #393

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But this actually highlights exactly what I mean. What if I simply stood up a plain old Apache server to host my website but that happened to be hosted in the US. No analytics, just a few HTML files and that’s it. I’m still in this scenario sending PII of EU citizens in the form of IP addresses to the US which are just written to /var/log/apache It seems obviously different and yet as that ruling seems to imply it wo…

Default configurations of logging on most servers is illegal now under GDPR since it saves IP addresses.

It's not illegal to store such information in default logs per se, even without explicit consent, if it would fall into the "legitimate interest" category[0], e.g. you need it to operate the service and prevent abuse, and there is no less intrusive way to e.g. reasonably monitor for and prevent abuse.

However, you cannot share such logs without consent, you still have an obligation to inform users about your legitimate interest assessment and what data you store, and you still have to abide to other rights of users such as the right of users to ask for a copy of the data you store about them.

[0] Art 6.1.f https://gdpr.eu/article-6-how-to-process-personal-data-legal...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by foxfluff »

stefan_ wrote: post #14

Any organization still running Google Tag Manager and allowing random marketing people to insert whatever someone told them to in a webinar must be having a death wish when the GDPR exists. You would think security teams would have put an end to that madness years ago but here we are.

You would think legal would have put an end to that madness..

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by jsiepkes »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #403
jsiepkes wrote: post #376

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> who also fill the tank in countries with far cheaper gas So we are talking here about inter-country transport, right? Because I don't think it's very econimical to fill up your gastank in Poland if your driving deliveries locally inside Sweden? That will probably not be a net-win. If you are a Swedish company importing from for example Poland you could always let a Polish transport company handle the transport. The…

I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about. But there are others more obvious issues mentioned by the unions by international trucking - they have to compete with companies utilizing slave labour and sometimes even cases of trafficking. Hence my point that benefits of the EU is highly individual. Many have surely won, such as large companies, and many have lost. >So what did th…

> I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about.

You presented it as a (I presume good) example of your point. So I'm asking you because it definitly does not sound logical.

> Enable all european truckers to work anywhere.

That's not an answer to the question what the EU has to do with cheap gas prices in countries like Poland being a issue for a Swedish truck driver. A Polish truck driver working in Sweden is going to bring his own cheap gas from Poland and undercut Swedish transport companies? It just doesn't make sense how that is related to allowing to work everywere.

The wages could be a problem, sure, but that gap has also been largely plugged [1]. But gas prices...?

> I don't see how this is relevant to anything said previously, and yes, that is quite obvious.

Its relevant because if it's a real problem Sweden can lower taxes on the gas prices in order to remain competitive. That's not something the EU needs to do.

My point is that local politicians are quick to point to the EU. However it wasn't local politicians that managed to for example get the mobile roaming fee's gone for good. If you want to have a laugh just look at the UK. Vodafone et al said the roaming costs wouldn't return after brexit. Yet somehow the roaming costs are back for UK citizens...

[1] https://www.euractiv.com/section/road-safety/news/controvers...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by southerntofu »

buro9 wrote: post #502

> As we have seen, Google does not explain ( https://developers.google.com/tag-manager/serverside/custom-... ) the reason for creating a subdomain of the website for its "proxy" server: > > The default server-side tagging deployment is hosted on an App Engine domain. We recommend that you modify the deployment to use a subdomain of your website instead. The reason is simple: it creates a denial of service attack on D…

Looks like the only sane thing to do is to block routes to GAFAM AS directly on your router instead of relying on DNS tricks. I knew people doing that over ten years ago and i thought they were kind of crazy, but in retrospect they were right all along.

What if your website is hosted by Google Cloud Engine or AWS, should we block it? I certainly would. Please find a decent host that does not use their customers as human shield/leverage to engage in criminal conspiracies against privacy.

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