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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ThalesX »

krageon wrote: post #402
ThalesX wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most often such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence in past few years. I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. I’m a globalist and think nationalism and regionalism should be relics of the past and I keep getting put in the same box as nationalists because I am Euro-realist. With this frame of mind I think the EU po…

> Euro-realist It's not realism to believe the EU can't exist within or facilitate your idealised frame of reference (assuming it makes sense and is something people should want), it's just negativity. > I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. Quite frankly nationalistic resurgence is the #1 indicator for "euro realism", so this is a very reasonable stance to take.

> It's not realism to believe the EU can't exist within or facilitate your idealised frame of reference (assuming it makes sense and is something people should want), it's just negativity.

As a citizen of the EU, I am arguing for the debureaucratization of institutions, for capital unlocking in proper ventures, nuclear energy, and the appropriate handling of countries from which human capital is departing faster than some war-torn ones. Frankly, I don't give a damn that some people might perceive this as 'negativity' on a forum when I have (hopefully) an entire life to live under this construct.

> Quite frankly nationalistic resurgence is the #1 indicator for "euro realism", so this is a very reasonable stance to take.

Quite frankly, if you're going to shove me, against evidence, in the nationalist insurgence "euro realism" and then claim it as a reasonable stance to take. I'm not sure where that leaves me in this debate. Argue with your constructed image of me all you want.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by srg0 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #405

This looks like an opportunity for antivirus developers. Now as antivirus software has became less relevant the talents can be reallocated to apply heuristic and signature-based code analysis to protecting web users against tracking. I would gladly pay money to a trustworthy company to sanitize my traffic blocking every bit except what I really need to be there.

> I would gladly pay money to a trustworthy company to sanitize my traffic blocking every bit except what I really need to be there.

$0/month -> duckduckgo -> browser-level protection and email aliases

$1/month -> Mozilla -> browser-level protection and email aliases (relay.firefox.com)

$2/month -> NextDNS -> DNS-over-HTTPS with blocklists and tracking protection

$1/month -> Apple -> browser-level protection, Private Relay & Hide My Email

Blocking "every bit" is a hard problem.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by shadowgovt »

formerly_proven wrote: post #423
chickenimprint wrote: post #291

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Is it safe to assume you've never had to deal with those downright malevolent dark patterns and button labyrinths, designed to make it extremely unlikely for anyone in the general population to actually reject tracking?

I some cases the "people do illegal things regardless" argument can hold some water, but that's not the case for the GDPR, which is worded very clearly and hence it's really obvious that this kind of thing violates it. Most of these banners violate the GDPR even before they're showing up, because the GDPR actually restricts your ability to embed non-first-party content without consent. That's why Google Fonts violate…

> which is worded very clearly

Hard disagree. I've been racking my brain as of late trying to decide if default apache access logs violate the GDPR, and stackexchange searches on the topic seem to confirm the confusion.

If the legality of data collection hinges on what is considered necessary for service maintenance in the eye of a judge, the law is not clear.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ThalesX »

Y-bar wrote: post #389
ThalesX wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most often such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence in past few years. I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. I’m a globalist and think nationalism and regionalism should be relics of the past and I keep getting put in the same box as nationalists because I am Euro-realist. With this frame of mind I think the EU po…

> I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. Other parties also have their qualms about government institutions, of course, but for different reasons and expressed with different attitudes.

> Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties.

This is the 2nd post ignoring the fact that I have declared I am, in fact, not a member of such a group. Assuming that I'm lying, you'd be correct in holding your stance. Considering I am not lying, you are basically closing in the door to communication and possible expansions of subject matter from someone that's really not an extremist in any sense of the word.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #473
M2Ys4U wrote: post #420

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The GDPR applies to everything outside of purely personal/household activities - it's not limited to websites.

Yes, hence the issue with photographs of events of our children. I'm not convinced yet it is a net positive. For sure it increased senseless bureaucracy by a huge margin (not just the clicks on web sites, it creates more work in other places, too). The real players collect just as much data as before, but private people can't do most basic things anymore.

I'm not convinced yet that it isn't a net positive, given that a lot of what you described is illegal according to it, and said illegal behavior is being punished

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by shadowgovt »

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #394
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #332

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Did it really make the world a better place? Most sites collect as much data as ever, but now we need many more clicks, and can't have nice things like photos from kindergarden parties anymore.

I'm less likely to use a site that offers obnoxious cookie consent forms, and I think I'm better off without them. so yeah, it made the world better for me. My anger is directed towards the criminal websites that seek to circumvent the spirit of the law (most if the web today)

To my observation, there are no sites with more than a dram of content on them that haven't been compelled by GDPR compliance to put an obnoxious cookie banner up.

If you've found some, please share.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by tyingq »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #487
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

I was thinking about something. There is belief that Old Boeing died when they 'bought' McDonald Douglas, with the result that MD's cancerous bloated failed defense contractor management then injected itself into Boeing. Hear me out. Google bought Doubleclick in 2007. And Doubleclick's sleezy amoral management culture injected itself into Google.

I'm sure it had an effect, but they were already reading your email and making targeted ads out of the content before that.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by tremon »

gaius_baltar wrote: post #163
propogandist wrote: post #130

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use uMatrix or uBlock and block individual domains https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

Proud uMatrix user here. Sadly, just noticed that the repo is now archived and I don't know if it will be maintained. Could not find any fork either. I'll miss this extension.

ηMatrix is a fork maintained for Pale Moon: https://gitlab.com/vannilla/ematrix

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by jevgeni »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #356
dxdm wrote: post #289

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> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

>a huge net positive A huge net positive for buisness, that's for sure. There are currently over 25,000 lobbyists in Brussels and Berlin [1]. As for the citizens, that is up to debate, and highly individual. Truckers in Sweden, for example, that currently find themselves competing with truckers from all over europe who also fill the tank in countries with far cheaper gas, cant really be said to enjoy positive gain fr…

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

piokoch wrote: post #391
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

Things has changed indeed. Modern economy (I mean the one that has started somewhere deep in the Middle-ages) which finally led to the appearance of capitalism, was built on several foundations, one of them was ethics - in the olden days, in the times of lack of communication, invoices, the state authority that could enforce any law quickly, people had to count on the honesty of the others. One merchant had to trust…

The benefits and ethics of diversity are unrelated to this topic or anything else touched upon by your post

It seems like you're using this topic as a pretext to complain about the chip on your shoulder that is opposition to any conscious embracing of diversity

Also, you don't have to put "people of color" in quotes, they're actually people

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