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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by withinboredom »

feupan wrote: post #69
Brian_K_White wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A browser is a bot that interacts with the platform. It's not physically possible to use any website except by directing a tool to do it for you.

That’s pedantic and not even that right. The browser is an agent, not a bot. A bot takes semi-autonomous actions after being instructed by a human, for an undetermined amount of time; A browser just does something it’s told for a few seconds (or as long as the website’s open)

By your definition would a screen reader turn the browser into a bot? If not, if a I program my own “bot” isn’t it just working as my own agent?

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by tempestn »

captn3m0 wrote: post #3

It's Arkose Labs (also used by Roblox, GitHub, Dropbox, Twitch, and more). There's some more links here: https://github.com/dessant/buster/issues/178 (Buster is a browser extension for automated captcha solving). You can subscribe here https://github.com/dessant/buster/issues/320 Their audio captcha (no longer available?) involved listening to 3 MIDI tunes and picking "the sad one".

There's a browser add-on that solves captchas for you? Some rather obvious implications of that!

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by withinboredom »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #58
Rygian wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the nuance that is not spelled out (and certainly should be) is that AirBNB expects only interactive user agents, and not automated/batch user agents.

All those lines of code in a browser are automation.

Not to mention screen readers.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by dzhiurgis »

trevormcneal wrote: post #42

Let's push the idiocracy to the extreme by asking Arkose to add a timeout to their captchas, so people have to solve it fast and make the default puzzle be a prime factorization. Modern web become so unusable and poluted that I don't think that it can get worse.

99% sure OP is browsing with some shady VPN

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by Closi »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #65
actually_a_dog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably no longer available because picking out "the sad one" just amounts to picking out the one in a minor key. Machines should be able to do that fairly easily.

That's the ironic part, machines are able to solve these just fine so they defeat the purpose entirely. I wonder, does recaptcha work with your google account? Because at some point a lot of people will end up doing some kind of identity verification on there. But I think Google and co can make a reasonable assertion about being human by looking at activity across said Google account - location, emails, documents, et…

> That's the ironic part, machines are able to solve these just fine so they defeat the purpose entirely.

I wonder if the strategy is to create such a large number of different tasks that it becomes practically difficult to build solutions for all of them individually.

For instance, detecting 'sad' music is an easy task, but what if that is only 1 of 500 possible Audio-Captcha types - which also include 'select the angriest speech' and 'identify which music was played on a record player'. Individually these are probably moderately easy to solve, but if they can write/create new Captcha types quicker than people can solve them, they would stay ahead (unless someone can generalise them - but generalising is a much more difficult challenge).

It's effectively the WarioWare approach to Captcha's - an individual WarioWare game would be trivial to automate/solve, however automating the full WarioWare series would be a real big task (again, unless some sort of generalised AI can be used).

They could even employ some interesting strategies with who/when they show particular catcha types to in order to throw off bot writers.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by intunderflow »

trevormcneal wrote: post #42

Let's push the idiocracy to the extreme by asking Arkose to add a timeout to their captchas, so people have to solve it fast and make the default puzzle be a prime factorization. Modern web become so unusable and poluted that I don't think that it can get worse.

They literally do this on Roblox, I've seen over 20(!) hard puzzles and about 10 seconds to solve each one: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/3214...

For some challenges, this is so impossible that people give up with logging in until it calms down in a few hours, even Roblox employees and full time developers

People have told me that Arkose pay people to run their captchas and present lots of fancy metrics of attacks they've stopped which is why some websites seem to be ok with destroying user experience by running this

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by [deleted] »

intunderflow wrote: post #86
trevormcneal wrote: post #42

Let's push the idiocracy to the extreme by asking Arkose to add a timeout to their captchas, so people have to solve it fast and make the default puzzle be a prime factorization. Modern web become so unusable and poluted that I don't think that it can get worse.

They literally do this on Roblox, I've seen over 20(!) hard puzzles and about 10 seconds to solve each one: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/3214... For some challenges, this is so impossible that people give up with logging in until it calms down in a few hours, even Roblox employees and full time developers People have told me that Arkose pay people to run their captchas and present lots of f…

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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by postit »

That's the moment I'd recommend you to close the website and book a hotel.

The whole pandemic reminded me I miss staying in hotels.

Not having to worry about groceries, lunch, cleaning ... A great hotel experience turns your holiday into a holiday experience. The older I get the whole bnb experience feels like a premium stressful hostel.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

kwyjibo12345 wrote: post #55

I came across a website that wanted to force-feed ads to me before watching a video yesterday. However, they wanted me to select the best-fitting ad of 5 different ads with one ad playing automatically after 30s of not choosing one to play. Sometimes this branch of reality feels like it wasn't meant for productive use. Needless to say I will never come back.

Aachener Zeitung does this when you visit with an ad blocker.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by sundvor »

Beltalowda wrote: post #31
OscarCunningham wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should just let the language treadmill do its thing. Singular: dices, plural: diceses.

Could be dicey though!

That pun was to die for!

(Apologies for continuing the off topic, but in a funk right now and that comment really put a much needed smile on my face).

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