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Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by CyanLite4 »

paraxion wrote: post #65

My first thought is "wasn't that called ISA?" I can't help but be wary of anything Microsoft announces that's open source. Without engaging in MS-bashing, I always wonder what their motivation is. Then again, part of me wants to believe there's good, avid coders working there.

1997 called and want their outdated MS opinion back.

MS is one of the largest open source contributors these days. .Net is open source and cross-platform. They even have an open source Linux distribution. They actively contribute to Rust, webAssembly, the Linux kernel, and Kubernetes.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by BeefWellington »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #64

YARP is yet a another example of how C# is becoming a dominant systems language. The ease with which you can build a tailor-made reverse proxy is pretty amazing.

I guess I have to ask: What exactly is the use case for a tailor made reverse proxy? What customizations do people typically want to offload to the reverse proxy?

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

BeefWellington wrote: post #72
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #64

YARP is yet a another example of how C# is becoming a dominant systems language. The ease with which you can build a tailor-made reverse proxy is pretty amazing.

I guess I have to ask: What exactly is the use case for a tailor made reverse proxy? What customizations do people typically want to offload to the reverse proxy?

The main use case that comes to my mind is when you want to deploy a proxy in an environment where the developer needs full oversight of the proxy internals and doesn’t want to learn the particulars of configuring any given proxy software suite.

Additionally, YARP is cross-platform capable, so you can run the same proxy on Linux, macOS, and Windows. NGINX doesn’t even provide that, for example.

In terms of customizations, YARP is more like “what feature do you need to build in” than “how do I need to configure”. You can quickly build a simple reverse proxy and just about as easily setup a full load balancing solution, but the simple use case doesn’t need to include any of the code for the advanced use case.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

tremon wrote: post #48
rafale wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see. So it can operate in-process? Could in theory be much faster than nginx out-of-process model.

Why would someone need an in-process reverse proxy? I don't see what an in-process proxy would add that a request routing engine couldn't do. Or is the point that you can now add your reverse proxy configuration as just another project within the same solution?

You might need to deploy a single executable rather than multiple.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by Macha »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #73
BeefWellington wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I have to ask: What exactly is the use case for a tailor made reverse proxy? What customizations do people typically want to offload to the reverse proxy?

The main use case that comes to my mind is when you want to deploy a proxy in an environment where the developer needs full oversight of the proxy internals and doesn’t want to learn the particulars of configuring any given proxy software suite. Additionally, YARP is cross-platform capable, so you can run the same proxy on Linux, macOS, and Windows. NGINX doesn’t even provide that, for example. In terms of customizat…

> Additionally, YARP is cross-platform capable, so you can run the same proxy on Linux, macOS, and Windows. NGINX doesn’t even provide that, for example

nginx runs on all three of those platforms. If you mean the binary, this is surely misleading as you just move the burden from getting your platform specific binary to your platform specific .net runtime.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by bob1029 »

rafale wrote: post #55
tremon wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would someone need an in-process reverse proxy? I don't see what an in-process proxy would add that a request routing engine couldn't do. Or is the point that you can now add your reverse proxy configuration as just another project within the same solution?

And you could dynamically and efficiently add/remove web apps and endpoints assuming your entire codebase is in C#.

You can also block the clients for a brief period while you make routing changes, or wait for any other arbitrary event to complete. This is one way to achieve zero-downtime upgrades, even in situations where the service is running as a single binary on a single host.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by Moto7451 »

BeefWellington wrote: post #72
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #64

YARP is yet a another example of how C# is becoming a dominant systems language. The ease with which you can build a tailor-made reverse proxy is pretty amazing.

I guess I have to ask: What exactly is the use case for a tailor made reverse proxy? What customizations do people typically want to offload to the reverse proxy?

We have one at work. This came from a distrust of developers’ abilities to correctly configure Apache and NGINX and a desire for the ability to roll out company wide changes that affect reverse proxying or headers we always want to set or remove on each request cycle.

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by heavyset_go »

CyanLite4 wrote: post #71
paraxion wrote: post #65

My first thought is "wasn't that called ISA?" I can't help but be wary of anything Microsoft announces that's open source. Without engaging in MS-bashing, I always wonder what their motivation is. Then again, part of me wants to believe there's good, avid coders working there.

1997 called and want their outdated MS opinion back. MS is one of the largest open source contributors these days. .Net is open source and cross-platform. They even have an open source Linux distribution. They actively contribute to Rust, webAssembly, the Linux kernel, and Kubernetes.

Your "Microsoft [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28975856

[2] https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352

Re: Microsoft YARP

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Post by chunk_it_away99 »

Macha wrote: post #75
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main use case that comes to my mind is when you want to deploy a proxy in an environment where the developer needs full oversight of the proxy internals and doesn’t want to learn the particulars of configuring any given proxy software suite. Additionally, YARP is cross-platform capable, so you can run the same proxy on Linux, macOS, and Windows. NGINX doesn’t even provide that, for example. In terms of customizat…

> Additionally, YARP is cross-platform capable, so you can run the same proxy on Linux, macOS, and Windows. NGINX doesn’t even provide that, for example nginx runs on all three of those platforms. If you mean the binary, this is surely misleading as you just move the burden from getting your platform specific binary to your platform specific .net runtime.

NGINX is also more portable. It runs on more architectures and operating systems than .NET/C#.

I can literally throw a stick and hit several devices in my office that NGINX runs on but C# does not.

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