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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by tkiolp4 »

foxfluff wrote: post #122
Ekaros wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need education. Education to regular people that unless you have a contract with clear clauses and payments involved your data is worth what you pay. Your expectations from free service should be zero. It can go out of business at any time. Or they can stop offering it at anytime.

> Your expectations from free service should be zero. So it's ok if someone takes your car the next time you park on a free parking lot? It doesn't work that way in the physical world. I don't see why it should work that way in the digital world. Offering to hold your property for free isn't a license to steal or destroy it.

> Offering to hold your property for free isn't a license to steal or destroy it.

Unless explicitly stated. And we all know that: 1) most of the internet users don’t read the Terms of Service, and 2) YouTube probably states in their Terms of Service doc that they can do whatever they want with your data (I don’t know this for sure because of point 1)

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by iforgotpassword »

Cynosaur wrote: post #379
iforgotpassword wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this. I can't fathom that on HN of all sites people recommend renting backup space from the same big tech companies that continuously fuck over people. Setting up a NAS is not magic. Setting up two isn't either. Put one in you parents basement and check on it once every year when you visit for Christmas. If you don't need 16TB go with an SSD (although with the current contamination situation not the best tim…

Aren't you making it sound a bit too easy and straightforward than it actually is? It might be that simple for you but buying a NAS device like from synology can be pricey too, setting it all up so it is secure but network accessible, and then also handling possible drive failures down the line (and the chances of that are much higher than google fucking you over IMHO) is much more than an average non-tech-savvy user…

Yes, I wouldn't recommend my mom do it. This was with the average HNer in mind, but even an average tech enthusiast could do it. I think the OP commented here too saying he is a techie.

But tbh I think even getting and external drive and backing up to it should at least be done in parallel to any cloud service you choose.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by Ekaros »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #339
WalterBright wrote: post #258

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You can buy 16 terabyte drives for $300 or so. Cost shouldn't be a problem to back up your videos.

I second this. I can't fathom that on HN of all sites people recommend renting backup space from the same big tech companies that continuously fuck over people. Setting up a NAS is not magic. Setting up two isn't either. Put one in you parents basement and check on it once every year when you visit for Christmas. If you don't need 16TB go with an SSD (although with the current contamination situation not the best tim…

Don't even need to be NAS, couple external HDDs work as well. Add the new videos every month or something. Keep one at work and one at home. Or in some other place. Anyone not Gen Z should be entirely familiar with process of moving files between disks.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by lbriner »

Cynosaur wrote: post #379
iforgotpassword wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this. I can't fathom that on HN of all sites people recommend renting backup space from the same big tech companies that continuously fuck over people. Setting up a NAS is not magic. Setting up two isn't either. Put one in you parents basement and check on it once every year when you visit for Christmas. If you don't need 16TB go with an SSD (although with the current contamination situation not the best tim…

Aren't you making it sound a bit too easy and straightforward than it actually is? It might be that simple for you but buying a NAS device like from synology can be pricey too, setting it all up so it is secure but network accessible, and then also handling possible drive failures down the line (and the chances of that are much higher than google fucking you over IMHO) is much more than an average non-tech-savvy user…

Maybe not really easy but it is really just due-diligence and getting a solution that is worth the money you are making by providing the service.

If you weren't a mechanic, you wouldn't avoid maintaining a car and then get upset that it broke down eventually, you would pay a specialist to maintain it for you.

Youtube is cool because it's "free" but you also get almost zero support from Google and they are pretty the worst in my opinion. I have got decent support from AWS and Microsoft (never tried with FB).

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by ziml77 »

WalterBright wrote: post #259
ziml77 wrote: post #150

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The important thing for your business going forward is to ensure that you have good contracts. Your contract with YouTube was their terms of service. Those terms basically give you no guarantees yet give Google immense freedom. I think Vimeo is a good choice for hosting new videos. For archival I would consider just using a single NAS of your own and then have that replicate to Amazon Glacier in at least 1 other regi…

I wouldn't rely on a contract for archival services. Legal action can take several years to wind through the courts. For gawd's sake, buy some terabyte drives and make a backup that you control. Mail a copy to your mom just in case.

Hence why I didn't say to use Glacier as the only archival copy. In the setup I'm proposing, they would have a copy on Vimeo, at least 1 copy on Glacier, and a copy on their NAS. An offline backup mailed to his mom isn't a bad idea either though.

The point I'm making about contracts here is not solely about having the option to sue if the other party doesn't uphold their end of the contract. It's about even having the option to agree to conditions that aren't ridiculously one-sided in the first place.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vel0city »

Cynosaur wrote: post #379
iforgotpassword wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this. I can't fathom that on HN of all sites people recommend renting backup space from the same big tech companies that continuously fuck over people. Setting up a NAS is not magic. Setting up two isn't either. Put one in you parents basement and check on it once every year when you visit for Christmas. If you don't need 16TB go with an SSD (although with the current contamination situation not the best tim…

Aren't you making it sound a bit too easy and straightforward than it actually is? It might be that simple for you but buying a NAS device like from synology can be pricey too, setting it all up so it is secure but network accessible, and then also handling possible drive failures down the line (and the chances of that are much higher than google fucking you over IMHO) is much more than an average non-tech-savvy user…

How expensive was losing 7 years of work?

People look at the cost of properly storing the data without thinking of the cost of not doing it.

A team I was helping with was in charge of making a lot of training videos which were then used in paid classes. Several employees working at least 4 days a week shooting and editing videos. They had been keeping all their master copies on the same memory cards they used in their cameras, "backups are too expensive!". Then one of their memory cards corrupted, and I asked them to calculate the amount of salary went in to making the data on that flash card.

That afternoon a NAS was delivered with authorization to backup that to separate cloud services. Suddenly when they bothered to have that perspective the cost of a NAS was dirt cheap despite being way too expensive days before.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by tlonny »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

> multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated

I decided to look at using AWS S3 to archive my media library. If you use the `DEEP_ARCHIVE` storage class, I believe costs are ~$1 per month per TB. The downside of such a storage class is that it takes ~48 hours for files to be "defrosted" and ready to download.

Before I push any of my media (that I have legally purchased), I also encrypt it to hedge the risk that AWS suddenly decides to start doing automated scans/fingerprinting for copyrighted content. I assume that's overkill but w/e.

Here is a CLI I wrote to make the above a bit easier: https://gitlab.com/tlonny/dfrost

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vel0city »

baash05 wrote: post #268
ksec wrote: post #251

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>I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap Only Qnap offers ZFS and Synology offer BTRFS. And none of these file system are default option. ( I dont think they do scheduled scrubbing by default either ) They are also only available on mid range model. Qnap had third or forth security issues with Bitcoin ransomeware. Synology requires lot of work to turn off All internet facing features. To the point the…

Seems to me a DVD burner would work wonder here. Make a vid, upload it to Youtub, burn a copy, put it in a sleeve, and you have a very reliable backup system. I've got DVD's that I made over 15 years ago, that are still watchable.. I've got a CD that I burned 21 years ago (wedding music). It's in my car right now.

Right? And if you want redundancy, burn multiple copies on discs made by different manufacturers.

That said as said in the other comment M-DISC is really the way to go. Burn a couple of these, store them separately. They're rated for 1,000 years of storage if stored even somewhat properly. You can get them in 100GB sizes, so perfect for this kind of job. Burners aren't crazy expensive, 100GB discs were around $10/disc last time I bought.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vel0city »

waffle_maniac wrote: post #254
S_A_P wrote: post #237

YouTube deleted my account a few months ago. The reason was totally unfounded and I had no recourse. I’m pretty certain some AI flagged my account and instead of a sensible approach like 1) notify the user that something they did was flagged. 2) point to the instance where the supposed bad behavior happened and allow review/context by humans 3) see that my YouTube account was 12-13 years old and had only a handful of…

Infuriating. I know it’s a private company but the internet feels much less free recently. The reason I’m using YT is for private video backup and slideshows. So basically stuff that is backed up elsewhere. I want more decentralized solutions. The problem is that they are costly.

> The reason I’m using YT is for private video backup

I hope this thread has really shown you why this isn't a good idea. YouTube is video distribution not archive.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

oezi wrote: post #282
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between free and paid cloud services.

Why do you think that? Most people actually need to pay Google at least for the data storage subscription.

Human-based support is one of the selling points of that subscription, right?
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