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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by JamesAdir »

oezi wrote: post #281
stackedinserter wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, we've been in this for a decade at least. There was enough time to learn this single lesson: data stored in someone's cloud is not your data. In 2022 it's plain stupid to keep your email in Gmail or rely on Google Photos as the only storage for your family archive. People pay $15/mo for Netflix, but can't pay $50/year for a email address? Nobody will lend a random person $1000, but people still happily giv…

But paying 50 USD still keeps the data in the cloud. You cannot spend money to solve the backup problem, you need a process and quite a lot of technical and organizational skill. I honestly think there are less than 1 in 100 people who have a working system of backups that would bring them back all their photos taken from their mobile phones. Since Google turned off syncing of photos to Google Drive, my system broke…

OP stated that they were paying customers, this is very troubling. But in any case, at least as a paying customer you might have some legal recourse. As a non paying customer I don't think you can do anything. Also as you've mentioned you must have backups at all times. no matter if you're paying or not.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by exikyut »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #68
tech234a wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know what the channel ID (UCID) was?

Unfortunately no, and attempting to go to https://www.youtube.com/account_advanced redirects the suspended account page.

You could use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/chrome_cache_view.html to extract your browser cache, then grep the whole thing for something like `UC[A-Za-z_-]{20,30}`. That'll probably find an overwhelming amount of junk, but it might also work too. (The idea is to search the cache for UCID matches in JSON dumps.)

If this seems interesting, the immediate priority would be to backup your cache folder immediately (%AppData%\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache), then extract and search it at your leisure.

(This is all for Windows, but IIUC there are alternatives for Linux and macOS.)

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by [deleted] »

pembrook wrote: post #94

After seeing posts like this on HN for years, this one officially scared me enough to completely migrate off Gmail altogether. I’m in the process right now of removing my gmail from any online account. Pro-tip: if you use a password manager, it’s as easy as searching for your Gmail address. For all other accounts, I’ve been able to find them by searching for the phrases “verify your email” or “verify email” or “verif…

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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by exikyut »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #62
randartie wrote: post #38

If I had to speculate based off my experience at other FANG companies, the videos still exist in the Youtube infrastructure somewhere to allow for the possibility of a human intervention to restore them (For example, to allow for recovering from a system gone haywire or just to give time for manually reversed decisions). That said, I'd also guess there's a countdown timer before they get deleted permanently. I hope y…

This was my thinking as well, it's safer to never delete data and simply null route requests to it. It's what I've done in the past when I was on their side of the ethernet cable. The youtube channel in question. https://www.youtube.com/user/tranresearchtraining/

Their side of the ethernet cable??

Is this situation really that bad? D:

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by sdoering »

jen729w wrote: post #176
pembrook wrote: post #94

After seeing posts like this on HN for years, this one officially scared me enough to completely migrate off Gmail altogether. I’m in the process right now of removing my gmail from any online account. Pro-tip: if you use a password manager, it’s as easy as searching for your Gmail address. For all other accounts, I’ve been able to find them by searching for the phrases “verify your email” or “verify email” or “verif…

Just gonna throw Migadu in here as a mail host. Everyone loves Fastmail, which is cool - I'm an ex-happy-user - but Migadu's point of difference is their pricing. Whereas Fastmail charges by the user/month (or did when I was there), which can add up quickly if you've got a bunch of domains, Migadu does not. They charge by volume. You can add as many domains and mailboxes as you like. For some use cases - mine, and li…

Just wanted to send you my thanks. For the last hour or so drinking my morning coffee I read their page.

I will give them a try but you might have provided me with the service to switch to from Google.

I already have replacements for storage (my second main use) and Documents. And I do not have a problem in general with proprietary solutions. But Google sadly more and more is not in line with what I see as values good for the internet nor humanity.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vero2 »

> Youtube sent her 3 strikes in one week. On videos that were 4 years old, indicating cyber bullying.

Do you know by chance if anyone "internal employees" tried to complain and report? I suspect this is an insider issue.

may be some internal staff, downloaded everything and reported these videos to kill your wife's business and to start their own business.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by sdoering »

gonehome wrote: post #203
Macha wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that if you're just using the domains for one user, you can set them up as aliases rather than seperate mailboxes to avoid stacking fees that way.

I do this, but it does make me wary of lock-in. It’d be a pain to have to change all of these in order to leave fastmail.

This is one of my problems for migrating from Google Workspace. I use aliases and groups to have significant numbers of separate email addresses for specific services.

Mapping all these accounts will be a big pain in the butt.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vero2 »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

> multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated

As some one working in storage, please do not get tons of NAS they are pain to manage eventually. Example: linus-tech-tips could not do it properly.

If you use youtube-dl how large is one video? Lets say 2 GB. I presume, every week you create have 2 videos? Then 4GB per week.

Google gives you $20 for 100 GB. Every year create a new account - like - company name.2022 dump everything there. Hire an clerk to make sure the credit card is payed every year.

That way you do not lose all videos at a time.

Heck you can even create free Google drive account every few months and segment them.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by yobbo »

foxfluff wrote: post #122
Ekaros wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need education. Education to regular people that unless you have a contract with clear clauses and payments involved your data is worth what you pay. Your expectations from free service should be zero. It can go out of business at any time. Or they can stop offering it at anytime.

> Your expectations from free service should be zero. So it's ok if someone takes your car the next time you park on a free parking lot? It doesn't work that way in the physical world. I don't see why it should work that way in the digital world. Offering to hold your property for free isn't a license to steal or destroy it.

> next time you park on a free parking lot?

The closest analogy is; if you park without paying, your car might get impounded.

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