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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

'The Cloud' is just someone else's computer. Nothing more nothing less

In a thread full of unhelpful, pedantic comments this is a podium finisher for sure.

It's just one of those memes on the net, I'm sure GP meant no harm at this time. Do a google for it, it's everywhere. We have all been bitten by it.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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If I had to speculate based off my experience at other FANG companies, the videos still exist in the Youtube infrastructure somewhere to allow for the possibility of a human intervention to restore them (For example, to allow for recovering from a system gone haywire or just to give time for manually reversed decisions). That said, I'd also guess there's a countdown timer before they get deleted permanently. I hope y…

This was my thinking as well, it's safer to never delete data and simply null route requests to it. It's what I've done in the past when I was on their side of the ethernet cable.

The youtube channel in question.

https://www.youtube.com/user/tranresearchtraining/

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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> youtube deleted 700 videos created for internal training for our company I don't mean to be an asshole, but nobody guarantees you that your videos will stay up perpetually on YouTube. Especially if you've got hundreds of private or unlisted videos, it doesn't particularly surprise me that YouTube would pull them down, even if only for petty reasons. If you've been following the state of their website over the past…

> "the cloud" isn't a panacea for your storage needs. Except that is exactly how cloud companies market themselves. That is exactly what cloud companies have been telling consumers for a decade+. Right up to the point of commercials showing someone lose a device and saying “no worries, it’s all in the cloud!”, etc. We’ve been told for years that our data is safer in the cloud than it is on our own devices. That the c…

YouTube has never promised or implied your videos that are on their servers for free would be there forever.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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If I had to speculate based off my experience at other FANG companies, the videos still exist in the Youtube infrastructure somewhere to allow for the possibility of a human intervention to restore them (For example, to allow for recovering from a system gone haywire or just to give time for manually reversed decisions). That said, I'd also guess there's a countdown timer before they get deleted permanently. I hope y…

I was thinking that if OP's wife or the video subjects are European then a GDPR request# might surface the data. Strikes me the videos would probably only have a delete flag set if this is recent and even after deletion from live data may exist in backups?

(# AIUI companies are obliged to share with you any PII they hold that identifies you.)

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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This seems to happen a lot - it might not even be your fault, just someone decided they didn't like your videos and filed a bunch of complaints, or an algorithm misinterpreted some speech. Once the automation sides against you your only recourse is to hope to generate enough social outrage that a human takes notice. The lesson learned is always that YouTube should never be your primary data store, you need to keep the best quality copy of your video in S3 (or similar) so you can rebuild when needed.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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If I had to speculate based off my experience at other FANG companies, the videos still exist in the Youtube infrastructure somewhere to allow for the possibility of a human intervention to restore them (For example, to allow for recovering from a system gone haywire or just to give time for manually reversed decisions). That said, I'd also guess there's a countdown timer before they get deleted permanently. I hope y…

This was my thinking as well, it's safer to never delete data and simply null route requests to it. It's what I've done in the past when I was on their side of the ethernet cable. The youtube channel in question. https://www.youtube.com/user/tranresearchtraining/

Do you know what the channel ID (UCID) was?

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was my thinking as well, it's safer to never delete data and simply null route requests to it. It's what I've done in the past when I was on their side of the ethernet cable. The youtube channel in question. https://www.youtube.com/user/tranresearchtraining/

Do you know what the channel ID (UCID) was?

Unfortunately no, and attempting to go to https://www.youtube.com/account_advanced redirects the suspended account page.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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post #15

Lots of commenters rushing to chastise the user for not taking pro-active steps to preserve content, since your Google account (or any cloud account once a provider decides you've violated their Terms of Service) may go "poof". Wouldn't it be nice if the platforms themselves helped out with this, instead of luring their users into a false sense of security?

It would. I hope people here work towards their companies regularly warning their customers that any content stored on their services can be gone any day without any warning.

How about if durable archival was an upsell alongside upload?

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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post #57

Is there an effort to build a solution to problems like this that don't rely on a friend of a friend from Google 'fixing' things. At some point the FDA didn't exist and we decided to create it to regulate an industry. At some point, fair credit reporting didn't exist and we decided to create that to regulate a different industry. Is there a real and lasting solution to this problem that the firm hand of democracy can…

>At some point the FDA didn't exist and we decided to create it to regulate an industry. FDA, youtube edition: alphabet is the only company approved to host videos for public consumption, because they're the only one that has an approved copyright/hate speech filter (regulated for safety, efficacy, ADA compliance, and to be non-discriminatory). All other sites are prohibited from operating unless they spend $5B to ge…

You raise a very important point, that I have seen at work in the Finance industry.

It goes like this: Large consulting companies are structurally incompetent and keep running to the ground financial and government IT projects. After starting to see their lunch taken by small specialized and competent small operations, a underground operation starts to require the regulator to force companies working in the space to get certified as "Financial Services Provider". Regulations will make sure the number of required certified professionals, minimum capital etc...Are of a nature to drive out the competent small boutiques.

Projects are of course still done, by forcing the small companies to subcontract on a 2nd and 3nd level via the now certified ( but still incompetent) large consulting companies.

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