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Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

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Quantity has a quality of its own. To use a similar example, arrest and imprisonment records are public data in my country. But you have to actually go to the courthouse and fill out some paperwork and/or hire a lawyer to do it for you. This has consequences. For example, in some US states it takes a few seconds for an employer to find out a candidate was once arrested while drunk, or has a conviction for a minor off…

> Only a real weirdo would do that here, in part because it involves time and money. I think your parent's point is that money isn't an issue for the rich. A billionaire doesn't care that it costs $150 to find out, they don't care that it costs a $1,000 to find out. So suddenly information becomes a class issue. Either it should be available to nobody or everybody, money shouldn't factor into it.

i don't think that's a valid argument.

A lot of policies or laws don't affect billionares the same way. We don't fine speeding tickets based on income like norway. Nobody is changing any laws to make it proportional impact on billionares.

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

#112

You should be able to do an exact match search here. Trying to use double quotes on my name turns up a boatload of hits, but most of them appear to be cases where my first name is found somewhere on the page, and somewhere else my last name is found somewhere on the page. It should also be possible to limit the search by city, state, and or region, as well as by timeframe. Not very useful.

Exact match searches are supported.

Can you give an example?

Also, to limit by other qualifiers you can add those to the search criteria. However, the search isn't field-specific and so that ability can be done loose-ly (like Google) and not in a strict field-by-field sense. It's difficult and time consuming, but something that could improve the search.

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

#113

You should be able to do an exact match search here. Trying to use double quotes on my name turns up a boatload of hits, but most of them appear to be cases where my first name is found somewhere on the page, and somewhere else my last name is found somewhere on the page. It should also be possible to limit the search by city, state, and or region, as well as by timeframe. Not very useful.

Exact match searches are supported. Can you give an example? Also, to limit by other qualifiers you can add those to the search criteria. However, the search isn't field-specific and so that ability can be done loose-ly (like Google) and not in a strict field-by-field sense. It's difficult and time consuming, but something that could improve the search.

How are exact match searches supported? There is absolutely no evidence on the page that this is possible.

How does searching for “brad knowles” match “brad alan knowles”, when I put my name in quotes? How does it match a case where “brad knowles” does not appear to be used anywhere on the page, but where one line matches “knowles” and then another line matches “brad”?

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

#114
post #105

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This is stated in simple language on the terms page, which is linked at the top/middle of every page. You have to decide between putting the same text on every page vs. a high visibility place vs. a low visibility place. I opted for 2nd to make sure it's clear.

Do most people read and comprehend terms pages before using the information they discover from search engines? (I don't know)

Absolutely not. A vanishingly tiny percent ever click on the terms link.

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exact match searches are supported. Can you give an example? Also, to limit by other qualifiers you can add those to the search criteria. However, the search isn't field-specific and so that ability can be done loose-ly (like Google) and not in a strict field-by-field sense. It's difficult and time consuming, but something that could improve the search.

How are exact match searches supported? There is absolutely no evidence on the page that this is possible. How does searching for “brad knowles” match “brad alan knowles”, when I put my name in quotes? How does it match a case where “brad knowles” does not appear to be used anywhere on the page, but where one line matches “knowles” and then another line matches “brad”?

"brad knowles" - 14 results returned. The exact phrase is found in each.

brad knowles - 1925 results returned, which include results with brad and knowles in the text, where close proximity cases are ranked higher. Results with brad and knowles further apart will be ranked toward the bottom.

When you use quotes above, I'm not sure if that means what's in quotes above is what you searched or that you searched with quotes, but based on these checks and what I see, exact match searches as well as weighting without use of exact match quotes is working correctly.

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exact match searches are supported. Can you give an example? Also, to limit by other qualifiers you can add those to the search criteria. However, the search isn't field-specific and so that ability can be done loose-ly (like Google) and not in a strict field-by-field sense. It's difficult and time consuming, but something that could improve the search.

How are exact match searches supported? There is absolutely no evidence on the page that this is possible. How does searching for “brad knowles” match “brad alan knowles”, when I put my name in quotes? How does it match a case where “brad knowles” does not appear to be used anywhere on the page, but where one line matches “knowles” and then another line matches “brad”?

You can put 3 commas after your name to search for an exact match, eg brad knowles,,,

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

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This seems pretty good at first glance but there's significant room for improvement. Since this is HN, allow me to nitpick... - "630M" is a big number, sure, but I don't have a sense for what % of total court cases it corresponds to. Is it closer to 10% or 90%? And either way, which ones are included vs. excluded? What was the criteria used? Accessibility, date, costs? - I get the artistic view behind the choice of t…

Valid criticisms, thanks for pointing them out as areas of improvement. Good question about the % of total cases though I think there are some estimates on that. My guess would maybe be 100M+ cases per year.

> My guess would maybe be 100M+ cases per year.

If this is close then that blows my mind. That would be roughly 1 court case per ~2.5 american adults per year.

Re: Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases

#119

OP submitted this site in November 2020 with 400M cases[1]. Other than the increase in cases, what else has changed? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25150702

Right, more cases primarily. The performance has been optimized so the searches, search result pages, and individual pages load significantly faster. Most searches load in under 200ms and most pages including SRPs load in less than 20 ms. Search syntax improvements (see info page for details). The search is still not very granular and field-specific, but definitely an area of improvement.

Thanks, I think it would be nice to have a changelog.
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