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The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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Yes, people spend a lot of time on FB but how much of it converts to revenue? Google could be converting visitors to revenue faster than what FB could be. Say, I search for a .is domain registrar, I click on the ad which seems to be selling it the cheapest and I leave Google. My short visit was converted to revenue and converted quick. On the other hand, I go to FB not to look for anything specific but only checkout…

What you explained is a very well known problem in marketing and advertising. It's not enough to be the "thing" the customer is looking for, you have to be there at the time they want to purchase. That is Google's greatest advantage: when you're looking to purchase something, you turn to search, not to social.

I see a couple of things happening though:

* Not all purchases are customer initiated, and based on the time users are spending on Facebook, they're in a much better position to capitalize on impulse and casual purchases.

* I've seen an increase in the number of friends who post "Hey, what phone should I get" and similar questions. This social behavior was commonplace prior to the advent of relevant, usable search. We may see a return to this leveraging of social knowledge for important purchases. Facebook has a significant advantage there.

Even with virtually zero effort, Facebook is going to begin to eat in to Google's territory, simply as a result of the sheer volume of eyes on ads. Right now, Facebook is continuing to focus on engaging users. They're digging deep roots in to our lives, and appear to be focusing on partnerships that aren't ad-related right now. These partnerships are also in markets that are inherently social. Music, for example, is a very social product. It makes perfect sense for Facebook to form strong partnerships there.

It's difficult to say when (or if) Facebook will focus on general advertising as a revenue stream. They certainly have a product, but I don't know how effective it is. I've seen a fair number of anecdotal write-ups that suggest it doesn't work all that well, but for individuals with a rational, causal mindset, advertising frequently "does not compute", so it's hard to say if there isn't significant bias there.

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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Yes, people spend a lot of time on FB but how much of it converts to revenue? Google could be converting visitors to revenue faster than what FB could be. Say, I search for a .is domain registrar, I click on the ad which seems to be selling it the cheapest and I leave Google. My short visit was converted to revenue and converted quick. On the other hand, I go to FB not to look for anything specific but only checkout…

It's true that FB hasn't found a way to convert the time spent on it to revenue the way google has, but facebook will still make a lot of money selling targeted display ads in the short term. They'll do this while stealing market share from content companies like Yahoo, AOL, etc.

The money from display ads will give facebook a lot of money and time to come up with a better way to market using the social data they have.

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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Considering Facebook and Google are both advertising-funded companies, I don't see what the concern is.

Start showing me slope on advertising revenue or momentum with major advertisers and I'll take notice.

Google's core market (search advertising) just had a new fence put up (Google+), which seems to be doing a good job keeping Facebook from marching right on in (social search advertising).

Facebook's ad-market strength is display advertising. This is a much smaller piece of the pie, and they don't completely own it, but they're making inroads. I expect Yahoo/AOL are much more worried about this than Google.

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

#16
The comments here and the comments at allthingsD make it clear that many people don't understand how cookies and data collection work which is surprising.

Every time you visit a page with any kind of facebook integration (like button or whatever) facebook adds your online behaviour to it's user profile.

Ideally, from facebooks perspective, everyone would always be logged in to facebook and all pages would have a like button, then they can track everything everyone does on the web. That's why the stickiness thing is important, not just because active users are less likely to quit.

This is how you monetize a free social service.

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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"Note that just a couple of years ago, someone might have thought to include Myspace in here. Remember?"

and facebook, not being fundamentally different to myspace, could easily be victim to the exact same thing. google, however, is sufficiently diversified to be much more resistant to user fickleness (firefox spellcheck says that's a word).

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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I have trouble understanding why this graph would freak google out. The more time I spend on google sites the less time I'm spending on sites I reached through google ads.

This chart isn't suggesting that more people are clicking on Google ads. Facebook is a direct competitor with Adwords. Besides, the more time you spend on Google sites, the more of Google's ads you're exposed to. The steepness of Facebook's curve is very likely to freak Google out.

The steepness of Facebook's curve is very likely to freak Google out.

Facebook looks likely to exceed 200% in just a few years!

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This chart isn't suggesting that more people are clicking on Google ads. Facebook is a direct competitor with Adwords. Besides, the more time you spend on Google sites, the more of Google's ads you're exposed to. The steepness of Facebook's curve is very likely to freak Google out.

The steepness of Facebook's curve is very likely to freak Google out. Facebook looks likely to exceed 200% in just a few years!

Exacty. Between now and then is when things will really get interesting.

Re: The Facebook Chart That Freaks Google Out

#20

The comments here and the comments at allthingsD make it clear that many people don't understand how cookies and data collection work which is surprising. Every time you visit a page with any kind of facebook integration (like button or whatever) facebook adds your online behaviour to it's user profile. Ideally, from facebooks perspective, everyone would always be logged in to facebook and all pages would have a like…

I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse, here, but would you please clarify where the money is, there?
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