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An example of why RSS is useful and important

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Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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I love RSS, have my own instance of Miniflux [1] on my Raspberry Pi and I got it connected with Discord and Matrix to read articles on the go. [1]: https://miniflux.app/

I cancelled my feedbin subscription after installing miniflux. Its been a joy to use and is well written software! Thanks for sharing =)

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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post #67

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You don't even need to get cynical. Implementing RSS is extra work, thus not everyone is going to implement it. Even if it contributed to the bottom line. It's the same reason every website that publishes information doesn't have an email newsletter. Since it's a consumption optimization, it makes sense for us, those who may want to consume a given website, to implement it (while we wait around for utopia).

I wouldn't say cynical so much as pointing out it just doesn't make much business sense to add.

Keep in mind the example the OP is using; a profit motive doesn't need to exist, the motivation is simply informing the public. If you go to the trouble of creating a website for that purpose, there isn't really any excuse for not including an RSS or Atom feed unless you're somehow still stuck in the "edit pages by hand and upload with FTP" era, or perhaps (I'm being extremely charitable here) if you're stuck in the slightly later "I had to write my own CMS from scratch" or "I'm still using Microsoft Frontpage" era.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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Begging website operators to implement RSS is a dead end. If it worked, RSS would be ubiquitous and we wouldn't have these kinds of futile submissions that preach to the choir. Instead of hoping every website operator in the world does something, it seems far more scalable to centralize efforts into a youtube-dl style repository so anyone can host their own website-to-RSS gateway.

I dunno. When I was still writing publicly someone reached out for me to add RSS to my website and it took me like 3 hours maybe to add it to my hand written static site compiler. It's a pretty simple protocol, even if I would have done things differently. For example, relative paths should be supported with some sort of top level setting called "root" or something like that. That way I wouldn't have to convert relat…

> It's a pretty simple protocol, even if I would have done things differently. For example, relative paths should be supported with some sort of top level setting called "root" or something like that. That way I wouldn't have to convert relative paths.

Atom feeds support xml:base explicitly.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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post #68
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I’d actually like to have the reverse, an RSS-to-email service.

Those are a dime a dozen, and a web search returns multiple on the first page. They tend to be submitted to HN. Examples: * https://blogtrottr.com * https://feedrabbit.com * https://feedsub.com

Blogtrottr had been working for me for a half dozen years, no fuss.

It's monitized by an ad at the top and bottom of each email.

It also provides an option to send an initial email with the full history of the feed to date.

No affiliation, I just happen to use it.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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Begging website operators to implement RSS is a dead end. If it worked, RSS would be ubiquitous and we wouldn't have these kinds of futile submissions that preach to the choir. Instead of hoping every website operator in the world does something, it seems far more scalable to centralize efforts into a youtube-dl style repository so anyone can host their own website-to-RSS gateway.

They killed RSS because there was no solid means for data providers to ration, monetize and control individual access to their content. The decline of availability for RSS feeds wasn't based on waning popularity from what I observed. Back then RSS feeds simply went offline in droves, as everyone scrambled to figure out how in the heck to implement OAuth, and most people gave up trying to implement feeds after they came with monthly fees and when OAuth was forced on us by Twitter and Facebook etc... I'd even go as far as to say the requirements introduced for OAuth mainly served the horrible purpose of turning connecting to most (previously free and open) data sources into a fee based and tightly controlled commodity economy that made everyone go closed-data after external data became too janky, costly, and difficult to support.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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post #69

A lot* of the criticism against RSS/Atom that I've seen on the internet boils down to appeal to novelty; both are old, so assumed to be "bad". But hey, they work. They fill a purpose - they warn you about updates in a site that you might want to check out. They do one thing, and do it well; and for me that "one thing" can be new manga series to read, new videos to watch, news from my city's site (it has RSS), so goes…

Time for someone to reinvent RSS in JSON or YAML

We probably would have all saved tons of money if we listened to the people that were saying don't kill RSS long ago, but we keep repeating history because the decision makers always love a flashy new marketing presentation over "good old stable, simple, and reliable". :[

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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I dunno. When I was still writing publicly someone reached out for me to add RSS to my website and it took me like 3 hours maybe to add it to my hand written static site compiler. It's a pretty simple protocol, even if I would have done things differently. For example, relative paths should be supported with some sort of top level setting called "root" or something like that. That way I wouldn't have to convert relat…

> It's a pretty simple protocol, even if I would have done things differently. For example, relative paths should be supported with some sort of top level setting called "root" or something like that. That way I wouldn't have to convert relative paths. Atom feeds support xml:base explicitly.

Oh nice! Thanks for letting me know.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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Begging website operators to implement RSS is a dead end. If it worked, RSS would be ubiquitous and we wouldn't have these kinds of futile submissions that preach to the choir. Instead of hoping every website operator in the world does something, it seems far more scalable to centralize efforts into a youtube-dl style repository so anyone can host their own website-to-RSS gateway.

I don't know a single website that does not implement RSS.

Re: An example of why RSS is useful and important

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post #65
post #55

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The problem is, RSS is not compatible with a few popular models: 1. Closed platform - Places like Spotify, Twitter, Facebook, etc, are dis-incentivized to help you consume content unless they can get you trapped in their UI with your logged in account. 2. Web as a program - Tonnes of people are trying to replace websites with 'apps' and replace programs with the web, neither of which lend themselves nicely to being R…

I get twitter feeds by RSS. I use https://nitter.net which is a privacy focused proxy for twitter. It has an in-built RSS feature. Eg., https://nitter.net/jack/rss , original account https://nitter.net/jack . If this instance does not work, then try https://nitter.kavin.rocks/jack and https://nitter.kavin.rocks/jack/rss . And if you also need reply tweets, then https://nitter.net/jack/with_replies/rss . For Youtube,…

> I get twitter feeds by RSS.

I didn't realise it was capable of serving RSS! It still puts you at the mercy of Twitter's API support and a random host to not interfere with the original message...

> For Youtube, reddit is also possible, might be for spotify too.

I don't use Reddit (HackerNews is as far down the internet rabbit hole as I want to go), but I know Youtube still allows RSS (just about). They have been slowly but surely removing the feature though. You used to be able to export all of your subscribers as OPML, now you can't. There used to be an easy way to find RSS feeds, now there isn't. I suspect before long they will move to remove them entirely.

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