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Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by kstenerud »

This is why I find the German system so civilized:

Nobody but you, the police, and the courts have access to your criminal record.

Nobody but the police has access to your arrest record.

Nobody is allowed to publish your name in relation to reports of arrests or convictions, or collect such data.

Employers can request from you a criminal record check (because you're the only one who can order one), but this is only done for the most sensitive of jobs and only for relevent offences.

You can also have most offences expunged from your record after a time.

Thus, you don't end up spending the rest of your life wearing a scarlet letter.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by lachstar-x »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #79

Helping people with criminal records get jobs is good. Letting then vote is also a good first step. The focus should be on helping them -before- they end up with a criminal conviction of some sort on their permanent record. Sadly we are engineering society to be less and less compatible for young men and this will only get worse over time. And then these angry young men get older they beget their own angry young men.…

This is the best reply here. Such compassion, but intelligent too. Well done!

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by sneak »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #69
dahfizz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These people, with nothing to lose, absolutely nothing to lose, have easy access to weapons and ammunition. Isn't it illegal to buy a gun if you have a felony? Putting aside the whole "they're criminals, they don't follow the law". Unless that was your point

Hardened criminals they aren't, most of them probably are convicted for having some marijuana on them. They study doesn't say all of them are felons. And really, does it matter if they personally can't buy guns? It's the US, guns grow on trees. They probably already have a gun, gifted to them by their parents. And it's a moot point once they start organizing.

You can't (generally) legally possess a gun as a felon (even if you legally possessed it before), and it is illegal to gift a gun to a felon.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by brnt »

dilippkumar wrote: post #108
brnt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. It's not exactly wfh, it's just having your own business that does not require (much of) an office.

Completely unrelated to the thread but > I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. How do you sleep at night? Honest question. I want to know the assumptions and reasoning that leads to one being comfortable with this decision. I’m probably more worried than I should be, but every time I look at my puny little openBSD webserver’s log, I find about 2 to 5 new attempts to scan my serve…

So, you never pay for anything on an app store? You host everything on your own hardware?

I am far more worried about the air quality that floats into my home than a website that's hosted somewhere else and isn't connected to anything but its own content.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by darebak »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #79

Helping people with criminal records get jobs is good. Letting then vote is also a good first step. The focus should be on helping them -before- they end up with a criminal conviction of some sort on their permanent record. Sadly we are engineering society to be less and less compatible for young men and this will only get worse over time. And then these angry young men get older they beget their own angry young men.…

>Letting then vote is also a good first step.

I'm always amazed that some Western countries don't let former convicts vote. In Serbia even current convicts can vote, atleast in republic level elections, not sure about local elections.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by pydry »

chaostheory wrote: post #22
jl6 wrote: post #10

In previous centuries, there were plenty of jobs with low trust requirements - chiefly, unskilled manual labor. A criminal record wasn’t such a barrier to that type of employment. Someone could spend time in prison, and then still find work on the outside. Not great work perhaps, but a living - a way forward for them, to re-integrate back into society. A way to slowly rebuild trust. The shift away from unskilled manu…

> In previous centuries, there were plenty of jobs with low trust requirements These still exist in the modern era, primarily in industries with high turnover like the restaurant industry, farm labor, and other unsavory industries such as meat processing.

They still exist in all sorts of industries but have almost all been offshored to capitalize on lower wages.

The jobs left are largely just the ones where the finished product can't be put on a container ship for 2 months.

If globalization unravels due to rising geopolitical tensions and continent spanning supply chains buckle and break we will likely be quite surprised at how much unskilled labor is suddenly in demand at home.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by sokoloff »

brnaftr361 wrote: post #73
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not exactly sure if you are disagreeing with me, because what you are saying is exactly my point. A weed possession charge as a minor is the type of thing that I think regulation should disallow as a disqualifying factor for all types of jobs. The idea would be that I would ask a background check service "I am hiring for a CLERK at CONVENIENCE_STORE", and I would just get back a response "No disqualifying convict…

I'm not disagreeing. But I don't know that I agree, it's a pretty finicky line. Crime is super contextual, so you're barring people who have been rung through the system, and probably have a new environment, a new context; I mean assuming they committed a significant crime. But honestly, in the beginning of "Noise" they start detailing some cases Marvin Frankel reviewed: Frankel did not provide any kind of statistica…

> Over damages that could be settled trivially.

I'm going to be honest here: if I'm hiring for a CFO or corporate treasurer, I don't want to hire anyone who has intentionally passed a counterfeit check. The fact that they probably have enough cash in their pocket to cover their fraudulent check is entirely irrelevant.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by micromacrofoot »

acrobatsunfish wrote: post #107
micromacrofoot wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.

Your assumption is more racist in my opinion. It sounds more classist to me, but I think that's just reality. Desperate people make desperate decisions, and their pro con list is different then middle and upper class.

you might think it’s classist if you have no experience being subjected to it, it’s an incredibly pointed claim that has been used for decades… note that no one blames white “culture” when a white suprematist goes on a shooting rampage

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by micromacrofoot »

betwixthewires wrote: post #114
micromacrofoot wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.

Let me ask you, do you think that white America's gun culture is partly responsible for violent crime in the US?

no because 99.99% of people aren’t walking into schools shooting people, the .01% doesn’t represent the entirety of culture… at best it represents how outliers with mental health issues don’t have access to mental health services
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