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Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I’ve had this happen with actual humans. A human is coming toward me on a path. I zig. They zig. I zag. They zag. We walk into each other. It must be some kind of human path finding bug. :-)

You avoid this by using visual cues. E.g. strongly looking into the direction that you want to go. I suppose that most people learn this at an early age. And these robots should too.

I find that making eye contact always resolves the issue

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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For more in that depressing vein, check out "Ghost Work: How to Stop Silicon Valley from Building a New Global Underclass" by Mary L. Gray

I will, I liked nickel and dimed so I'll give this a read. One side note, in looking up this book to purchase on Amazon, the hardcover is 2 bucks cheaper than the soft cover. I've seen this kind of thing quite a bit lately. What gives?

I've noticed this too. Hypothesis: Nobody wants books made of atoms any more, and the few that are selling are paperbacks. Therefore hardbacks are cheaper even though they're rarer and more expensive to produce.

Just a W.A.G...

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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A couple of years ago, I was attacked by a Kiwi bot near a UC campus. This is my story. The bot and I were moving towards each other on a sidewalk, and when I came close it stopped, as they do when sensing an object in front of them. But there was an awkward moment as I tried to go around it and it repeatedly jerked forward an inch as its motor kicked on and off. Maybe I was walking around the very edge of its radius…

when I came close it stopped, as they do when sensing an object in front of them The security robots at one of the big skyscrapers down the street from me do not stop for people. My wife got knocked into by one when we were standing in the plaza looking up something on her phone. (They're not little delivery robots. They're about five feet tall.) Good thing she was confused by what happened, because she's also the ty…

Run into me with a robot, and it is likely to get knocked over and very heavily damaged, if not pushed out into the street, or off a cliff, or whatever I can find nearby.

And I’m a pretty beefy guy. Run into my wife with a robot, and I will make sure that you really wish you had just run into me instead.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Those "exploited workers" probably made decent money relative to the cost of living in their location, and they got to do it from the comfort of a computer instead of hard labor in the sun, which is what someone in their same socioeconomic bracket would more likely be doing.

How would you know? Have you ever been in "their" location living in "their" same socioeconomic bracket? Would it bother you more if "their" was replaced with "our"? Would you then consider it "decent" money?

> How would you know?

How do you know someone hired to drive a remote vehicle is being exploited?

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Designated parking spaces are a good idea, but they should be paid for by companies that make a profit by renting out scooters. Not taxpayers. Public funding might be justified if the majority of scooters were owned by individual citizens with the right to vote on city affairs. Most rideshare companies, on the other hand, will simply siphon off public subsidies as additional profit to be taxed (or not) somewhere else…

But why? These are same parking spots I would park my car in. A parking spot for cars is useful to only one person at a time, if converted to a scooter parking space with some paint it can serve vastly more people. Straight up donating parking spaces to private scooter share companies is probably a net positive for the public.

In most urban areas, parking spaces for cars are paid for by people who actually use those spaces. If you don't pay for the space you take up, you get a ticket. The same should be true of parking spaces for scooters if we want to convert one to the other (which I think is a great idea, by the way). Urban space is valuable.

If for-profit rental companies want to reserve some space for their own customers to pick up and return scooters, they should pay the city and/or whoever owns those spaces. They shouldn't be allowed to take a free ride on public infrastructure just because they're "greener" than cars. They've been using that excuse to push externalities onto the public for too long already, I don't trust them with any additional subsidies.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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A couple of years ago, I was attacked by a Kiwi bot near a UC campus. This is my story. The bot and I were moving towards each other on a sidewalk, and when I came close it stopped, as they do when sensing an object in front of them. But there was an awkward moment as I tried to go around it and it repeatedly jerked forward an inch as its motor kicked on and off. Maybe I was walking around the very edge of its radius…

Kiwi bots aren't (weren't?) actually AI controlled. They had human drivers in South America that controlled them remotely. If one attacked you, it was either the human driver going agro, or just a problem with the latency of the camera -> cell network -> streamed to South America -> driver inputs command -> sent back to the US -> over the cell network -> back to the bot. And the cameras they have were pretty bad (the…

Source?

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I will, I liked nickel and dimed so I'll give this a read. One side note, in looking up this book to purchase on Amazon, the hardcover is 2 bucks cheaper than the soft cover. I've seen this kind of thing quite a bit lately. What gives?

I've noticed this too. Hypothesis: Nobody wants books made of atoms any more, and the few that are selling are paperbacks. Therefore hardbacks are cheaper even though they're rarer and more expensive to produce. Just a W.A.G...

Paperbacks have their price inflated to make the ebook look like a deal. Someone forgot to apply the markup to hardcover too.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Because this was heavily partisan issue. It is just absurd to claim it was not.

Bad government decisionmaking should very much be a common issue.

It does not matter what attitudes people should have. It matters which they actually had.

The "feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" was very right wing attitude. Even in places with no lockdowns and no restrictions. Even left wing disagreeing with this or that measured would talk about these in less emotional terms.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I know people here are mostly focused on the robots themselves, but as someone who was penniless through college, the more shocking thing to me is how affluent and luxurious the lifestyles of average college students are today. A minority is because they have rich parents paying for everything, but there's a huge lifestyle inflation of middle-class and working-class kids funding the lifestyle with student loans. Coll…

Yup. I can scarcely believe this business model works on a campus. At that age, I don't think there's anything that would have stopped me from taking one of these, eating the food, then taking it apart to see how it works. Then mounting the carcas on the wall, trophy-style.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Bad government decisionmaking should very much be a common issue.

It does not matter what attitudes people should have. It matters which they actually had. The "feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" was very right wing attitude. Even in places with no lockdowns and no restrictions. Even left wing disagreeing with this or that measured would talk about these in less emotional terms.

This sounds like some strange US bullshit to me, I’m not interested in importing what you’re selling.
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