"Researchers say the main lesson from the study is that unemployment services need to do more to help people cope with their criminal histories."
Could another "main lesson" be for people to commit less crime?
Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. It's not exactly wfh, it's just having your own business that does not require (much of) an office.
Completely unrelated to the thread but > I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. How do you sleep at night? Honest question. I want to know the assumptions and reasoning that leads to one being comfortable with this decision. I’m probably more worried than I should be, but every time I look at my puny little openBSD webserver’s log, I find about 2 to 5 new attempts to scan my serve…
Some people are natural worriers and others aren't. I'm not. In the end it's probably as simple as that.
Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records
#113In previous centuries, there were plenty of jobs with low trust requirements - chiefly, unskilled manual labor. A criminal record wasn’t such a barrier to that type of employment. Someone could spend time in prison, and then still find work on the outside. Not great work perhaps, but a living - a way forward for them, to re-integrate back into society. A way to slowly rebuild trust. The shift away from unskilled manu…
This misses the point. There's an obvious solution: disallow employers (except in outlier cases where there are safety concerns) from using criminal background checks in hiring decisions.
Another obvious solution.. don't commit crime.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
As in anything, some middle-ground is where things generally sit. The no record available once the sentence is completed is fine until someone gets killed or their daughter raped by someone with extensive criminal record of things not related to murder or rape. The unfortunate reality is, a certain type of people will continue to commit crimes all their life and many of them aren't even premeditated, it's a "it just…
Blaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.
Let me ask you, do you think that white America's gun culture is partly responsible for violent crime in the US?
Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records
#115One of the few 501(c)3's I will give money to is an organization that helps offenders go straight when they get out of jail and I see my name on a very short list of private donors. In the 1990s I was a victim of what I would call "Domestic Terrorism", the ringleader of the group didn't go to prison for his actions against me and other people at my college but I did hear that he went to prison for drug charges not lo…
Why does a college administrator have anything to do with whether the legal system would prosecute someone in a criminal matter where you were the victim?
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
This misses the point. There's an obvious solution: disallow employers (except in outlier cases where there are safety concerns) from using criminal background checks in hiring decisions.
This is not a new idea, it goes by the name "Ban the Box" ("the box" here meaning the "I have been convicted of a felony" checkbox on a job application) and has been implemented in a bunch of US states. The general consensus is that it doesn't really move the needle on employment rates for felons, while at the same time making employment prospects worse for black men because employers now just discard them from the a…
I'm not sure why this is being downvoted, because everything said is pretty much valid or at least substantiated.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/which-jobs-will-come-back-a...
>DOLEAC: So, we found that, on average, across the U.S., in places that ban the box, employment fell by 5 percent for young black men who didn’t have a college degree and by 3 percent for young Hispanic men who didn’t have a college degree. And so the next question is, who are they hiring instead? And we found, on average, the people who benefited were older men of color. So if you’re trying to avoid people who are actively involved in crime, older people are a pretty good bet. Criminal activity tends to decline with age.
>DUBNER: And what about young under-educated white potential employees?
>DOLEAC: For young white men who had the same level of education, we saw employment increase for that group. What seemed to be happening was that employers were substituting from young men of color to young white men.
Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records
#117One of the few 501(c)3's I will give money to is an organization that helps offenders go straight when they get out of jail and I see my name on a very short list of private donors. In the 1990s I was a victim of what I would call "Domestic Terrorism", the ringleader of the group didn't go to prison for his actions against me and other people at my college but I did hear that he went to prison for drug charges not lo…
Forgiveness can be extremely difficult; well done for recognizing that your individual experiences aren't a reason to restrict the opportunities of others - that's more than many people are able to manage.
I helps to ask for forgiveness.
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#118> "Employers need to understand that one big reason they cannot find the workers they need is too often, they exclude those who have had involvement with the criminal justice system,"
Pretentious academics need to understand that one big reason employers exclude those who have involvment with the criminal justice system is because they have a history of criminal behavior.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not disagreeing. But I don't know that I agree, it's a pretty finicky line. Crime is super contextual, so you're barring people who have been rung through the system, and probably have a new environment, a new context; I mean assuming they committed a significant crime. But honestly, in the beginning of "Noise" they start detailing some cases Marvin Frankel reviewed: Frankel did not provide any kind of statistica…
But because of federal sentencing guidelines, which Marvin Frankel helped establish, those kinds of discrepancies are no longer possible.
They're possible, the regulation was strike in '05 and are now "advisory".
My point was more the fact that over what, in the worst case, a day's worth of labor can not only earn you fines, time, but also the record.
Check fraud, by my estimation is basically theft. How many employers are going to want a theif?
But here's the thing, that may well have been a one time thing. Homeboy isn't necessarily a theif, but rather he committed at least one singular theft. And one of such minor magnitude I can only assume it was an act of desperation. But any "theft sensitive" employer is going to red flag him. Maybe he's a Thenadier, maybe he's Josef K. You just don't get the granularity necessary to make the determination. And the Court isn't solving moral dilemmas, but simply determining whether or not someone is guilty.
Add in complications like degrees. Somebody gets in a precarious position in their life and steals $1k or something comparably petty, does time, reparations, et etcetera but now they're permanently barred from practicing their specialization.
There are legitimizable crimes.
Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
This misses the point. There's an obvious solution: disallow employers (except in outlier cases where there are safety concerns) from using criminal background checks in hiring decisions.
This is not a new idea, it goes by the name "Ban the Box" ("the box" here meaning the "I have been convicted of a felony" checkbox on a job application) and has been implemented in a bunch of US states. The general consensus is that it doesn't really move the needle on employment rates for felons, while at the same time making employment prospects worse for black men because employers now just discard them from the a…
If employers can't discriminate on the individual level, they will discriminate on the group level.