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Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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What do you mean legit? Usable in court? Nothing else is really equivalent to "police entrapment" though. What makes that bad is that it's the police doing it, otherwise it's just asking a favor. If you can lie your way to getting someone to confess to a crime that's pretty much fine in the legal system, I think. Police do it all the time anyway and not even as some shady thing they have to hide it's just part of the…

In American jurisprudence, the police can be as deceptive as they want to be in interrogations. They can say that a confederate confessed, that they have evidence, that the victim died or identified the suspect, regardless of the truth of those statements. See the recent Nightingale case, which is hilarious because criminals are idiots. """Ferland and Keegan suggested to Nightingale that they potentially had satellit…

Related: There is always at least one person lying during a polygraph examination.

Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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One interesting secondary effect: people are now saying Reddit (the company) is participating in a coverup, even to the extent of deleting accounts. https://twitter.com/simpbloodbath/status/1494464667032252432... I want to say “I doubt that’s true,” but that’s the thing about propaganda. It’s often hard to tell. EDIT: it seems true: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/suq88j/... Hmm. That’s not a gre…

Even if this is true, given Reddit's history with the Boston Bombing debacle, I think it's entirely reasonable for the admins to take a hard line against accusations of serious criminal conduct from unknown sources. In any case the video is being widely discussed on Reddit now.

This was my thought: I can see a witch hunt forming from miles away. This guy is not a "public person" and the doxxing and publicising that is happening with this video is crazy.

Sure, pedophilia is terribly wrong, disgusting and illegal. But it's still not clear, apparently the "13 year old kid" was actually the impersonation by the woman doing the interview. And what kind of vigilante "justice" was being shown there... and why the heck put the video out in the wild?

These guys should have gone to the FBI and provide all that information for a serious investigation. Everything else is just uncalled for drama.

Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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anyone have more info on the group that makes these videos ? seems like they make decoy accounts and pretend to be underage targets but would like to learn more about their process: are they legit or would it be equivalent to police entrapment ?

This group is called Predator Catchers Indianapolis. Here's their Facebook page - they seem like an incredibly unprofessional outfit.

https://www.facebook.com/PredatorCatchersIndianapolis/

It sounds like they pose as minors and look for sketchy men to try to set up meets with them. Here's a news article with this quote from a female predator catcher,

> “Basically, I brought you out here ‘cause we know who you are, I’m definitely not 14, you’ve definitely been talking to a decoy,” the woman said while walking with Boyer into the nearby parking lot.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/02/25/indian...

More on their process (and even more detail in the article):

> Here's how it works: Members of these groups create fake, "decoy" dating or social media profiles and, once connected with someone, share their decoy age. The conversation either ends or continues and eventually becomes sexual, Spain and Schmutte said, at which point they'll agree to meet, only to reveal their true identities and confront the person while streaming on Facebook Live.

> Austin Spain looks at his Facebook Messenger inbox on his phone Wednesday, Feb. 10, 2021. He has two decoy pages that he uses in his search for sexual predators online. > For Spain, it's as easy as creating decoy Facebook pages using photos of adult female friends who he said have given him permission to use their images. One decoy page reviewed by IndyStar shows a young woman who says she's a student at a Bedford high school who likes reading. There's nothing outwardly provocative about the page.

> Spain doesn't send friend requests, he said, nor does he initiate conversations. He lets the requests come to him. When he spoke to IndyStar on Jan. 22, Spain said one of his decoy pages had around 900 pending friend requests. Typically, he sorts through requests and messages, deleting those that are obviously fake or out-of-state. Then, it's just a matter of responding to that first message.

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To me the people running these groups seem very narcissistic. I have no doubt they think they're doing a good thing, but I am never in favour of vigilante justice.

Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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anyone have more info on the group that makes these videos ? seems like they make decoy accounts and pretend to be underage targets but would like to learn more about their process: are they legit or would it be equivalent to police entrapment ?

This group is called Predator Catchers Indianapolis. Here's their Facebook page - they seem like an incredibly unprofessional outfit. https://www.facebook.com/PredatorCatchersIndianapolis/ It sounds like they pose as minors and look for sketchy men to try to set up meets with them. Here's a news article with this quote from a female predator catcher, > “Basically, I brought you out here ‘cause we know who you are, I’…

I think maybe they would be more effective by revealing themselves earlier on and hopefully scaring the offender out of doing what they are doing (I dont really know the psychology of this, I picture there are pathological cases that need real help and won't be deterred anyway and some borderline creeps who just need to be shocked into realizing what they are doing is not cool.) For the latter group, scaring the shit out of them may better serve the actual purpose of deterring crimes against children, vs going all the way to some kind of final sting operation that is only going to marginalize people further and maybe even push them to doing more of this. Unfortunately I think the vigilantes are more about getting a sensational result than actually trying to solve a problem

Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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post #11

I have seen the video (or parts of it) and it's hard to imagine how he could not be considered guilty. On the other hand, determining the innocence or guilt of a person based on videos from vigilante groups who have a huge incentive to produce dramatic videos makes me incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable.

Wanna link to the juicy parts? Embrace the drama. EDIT: 40m32s is so damning. https://youtu.be/XDbMDy2e44w#t=40m32s I’m amazed how stupid he is for not shutting up and walking out the door.

The interrogators are pretty slick at this, and this is clearly not their first rodeo. The way you stop someone from walking out the door is you pretend that if they cooperate with you, you will help them out and contain this issue; if they don't cooperate with you then their life is ruined. You can see this from the good cop/bad cop routine they have setup between the man and the woman [1]

Once you're caught as a pedophile who is lured into a hotel room with walls of text worth of conversations, you're basically done. At that point in your mind you're praying that the person who caught you doesn't disclose this to everyone, your job, your partner, your family, etc... You are praying that there is some way to contain this issue and get some help, and the good cop interrogator gives you some hope that she will help you contain it and that while she thinks what you did is disgusting, she can help get you out of the worst of it if only you cooperate and do what she tells you.

Of course in reality it's not like these interrogators are good guys themselves and this entire thing is being streamed to Twitch in real time. The whole thing is just a crappy mess.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop

Re: Meta axes head of global community development embroiled in underage sex sting

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The head of global community development is a low level employee?

title inflation. Banks have thousands of VPs

I am a numbers guy. How many bank VP is a kiddy diddler? I would venture, quite a bit.
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