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Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

Children have had free play for millennia. Supervised play in after-school programs like the one described in the article is relatively new.

Children have also been bullied by other children for millennia.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#42

This article is the best argument for unsupervised free play that I've seen. Adults have no business moralizing and interfering as children negotiate relationships on their own. It's developmentally important. Children who lack that experience will constantly look for authoritative arbiters of the relationships. That's the soil that societal authoritarianism grows in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

Luckily, real life seems to work out better than fiction:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-...

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point the evidence is pretty clear that is the case.. well maybe not "indoctrination" but for sure many many school systems do not share the value system of the parents sending their kids to the schools The question then becomes who's value system should "win", IMO it should be the parents, the parents should have the final say in their child's upbringing not the schools or "community".

I would rather my children go to a school that challenges our beliefs, because they may be wrong. I don't want the growing up parroting what I believe just because I believe it, they should come to their own conclusions.

Anyone banning legos in the name of equity values creativity and intuitive understanding of the interactions between physical objects less than their ability to brainwash their students, and thus has no business teaching children.

The problem here isn’t challenging your beliefs, it’s blatant stupidity.

My guess is the reality here is the legos were a source of conflict and so they got taken away. Just like many has occurred for probably since toys and children existed. Justifying it with an equity argument is just rage bait attention seeking.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#44

Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

Indoctrination is when you're inculcated with a doctrine. That's not what happened with the children described in the article. But if you mean affecting children's values and social outlook, then indeed, teachers do that. Sometimes they do it unconsciously, in which case it's typically the prevailing social values, explicit and implicit, which children are imbued with; sometimes it's more conscious.

how is this not what happened here? children were playing with legos, adults step in and mandate how play should occur based on their observations and the values they think the kids should develop. the way they describe how the kids play with legos—looking for the "cool pieces", feeling ownership over things they built—is the default way that all kids end up playing with legos in a group setting. somehow we all turned out okay without anyone dictating morals and values into lego play of all things.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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I feel visceral disgust reading this article. It seems like the kids were playing with each other in a healthy way and the teachers interposed themselves to change how the kids were playing for political and ideological reasons. This is disgusting to me because I think it's analogous to physical abuse.

A teacher hitting a child is bad not just because it's a violent crime, but also because children are especially vulnerable. They are smaller, weaker, and don't know what options are available to them. Hitting an adult is bad, but not as bad, because an adult is more capable of defending themselves and/or reacting appropriately to seek justice via other means (e.g. retreating and calling the police).

The teachers aren't physically abusing the children, but they are psychologically hurting the children by taking away their toys and forcing them to play the way the teachers want rather than the way the kids want. If the teachers think their politics are important, they should discuss politics with consenting adults, not prey upon children who won't really understand what's happening or what they can and should do about it.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#47

This article is the best argument for unsupervised free play that I've seen. Adults have no business moralizing and interfering as children negotiate relationships on their own. It's developmentally important. Children who lack that experience will constantly look for authoritative arbiters of the relationships. That's the soil that societal authoritarianism grows in.

Absolutely not. “Negotiation of relationships” practically means bullying and all sorts of antisocial and abusive behavior. There must be boundaries set by adults.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#48

I feel visceral disgust reading this article. It seems like the kids were playing with each other in a healthy way and the teachers interposed themselves to change how the kids were playing for political and ideological reasons. This is disgusting to me because I think it's analogous to physical abuse. A teacher hitting a child is bad not just because it's a violent crime, but also because children are especially vul…

agree, flag the article.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

#49
post #30

Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

> " Into their coffee shops and houses, the children were building their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys — assumptions that mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society — a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive." I share your take-away in general. But at least in this case though, the parents of these kids probably [publicly] align with the ideology of the tea…

What would "doing the walk" look like for these parents?
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