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Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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“Your delivery is delayed, our robot was electrocuted by another robot from a competing delivery company. You are important to us and we are working hard to get your delivery to you ASAP.”

Food delivery battle royale; you order a pizza, five competing companies send out their delivery robots. Only the winner gets paid.

Now, this I'd pay to watch!

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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The limiting factor was Operator attention and issues with an environment. In a closed, mapped environment like a campus with minimal street crossings. The robot can make its way to the restaurant, get the delivery and make the delivery, with out operator input or attention… even if people block the robot, it can navigate around and interact. After a couple failed attempts, it alerts an operator and then manual actio…

This sounds like a cool idea for a game.

This is basically Lemmings.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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A couple of years ago, I was attacked by a Kiwi bot near a UC campus. This is my story. The bot and I were moving towards each other on a sidewalk, and when I came close it stopped, as they do when sensing an object in front of them. But there was an awkward moment as I tried to go around it and it repeatedly jerked forward an inch as its motor kicked on and off. Maybe I was walking around the very edge of its radius…

I’ve had this happen with actual humans. A human is coming toward me on a path. I zig. They zig. I zag. They zag. We walk into each other. It must be some kind of human path finding bug. :-)

I've never actually walked into people, usually after 2 or 3 you look at each other and smile and then one person steps to the side or both and then you go, no you, ok.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I’ve had this happen with actual humans. A human is coming toward me on a path. I zig. They zig. I zag. They zag. We walk into each other. It must be some kind of human path finding bug. :-)

Always go through the right side, is this not a rule in your country? I'm asking not knowing where I learned it, but it definitely is a social norm to take the right side of the sidewalk anytime this may happen. Everyone just does this and it works out great.

Oh how I wish everybody understood this. Even in crowded cities in the US you get a lot of people who do not understand this. A minority to be sure, but a sizable one (I’d estimate between 5-10%, probably 10% but sometimes people who aren’t cognizant of this are accidentally correct in their pathing choice). Unfortunately this means you need to sometimes make split second decisions that this person probably has no idea what they’re doing and instead just figure out how to get around them regardless of convention

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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The food delivery robots don't look that awesome, in fact they look really shitty compared to their human counterparts. E-scooters are good at what they do at least, but they can also be a major pain in the ass, as we can see here where they are discarded carelessly because parking them is evidently not the techbros' problem. It's awesome that technological progress is made, but that doesn't mean everything with a ci…

> discarded carelessly because parking them is evidently not the techbros' problem You can't expect the scooter companies to spend 5-10 years partnering with the city and funding parking stations on every block before launching. This is historically how these things have to happen - thing comes out, has growing pains as it interacts with the public space, public space accommodates it. Cars came before traffic lights,…

E-scooters aren't really as big a jump as those other things; they are just another way to travel on roads, not that conceptually different to bikes or cars. Traffic lights were pretty much an alien concept before cars became widespread, whereas sane parking is something we already have and expect of all other forms of transport.

Many big cities have bike rental schemes where you have stations dotted around the city so I'm not sure why we couldn't expect the scooter companies to do something similar. At the very least force them to internalise these costs by fining them heavily whenever their scooters cause a nuisance, so that their incentives are aligned. I don't agree that the only way to have technological progress is to let tech companies do whatever they like while society picks up the bill.

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I agree, and even if punishing bad behavior is appealing, I think it'd work best if Scooter Co. added sensors so it could tell/see where the rider parked the scooter, and rewarded good parking with free rides (which would also prevent griefing the last rider by quickly dragging it somewhere terrible to get them punished).

Last time I rode one they required that I take a picture of how I left it to prove that I abided by their placement rules in order to end the ride.

I think most of those simply require that you send a picture. I'm not sure that they validate that the scooter is parked correctly, and I have seen people submit pictures of other scooters parked correctly.

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This is one I've seen in the wild. The K5 rocket-shaped model is heavy, 400 lbs (180 kg) https://www.knightscope.com/

What does it do that can't be accomplished with something the size of a remote controlled car?

It's more intimidating. (IIRC, they can be remotely controlled by an operator and have loudspeakers and such for the operator to yell at people.)

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I haven’t, one of these things knocked me out unconscious while I was waiting for green light to cross the road. It came from the side, hit me, I landed in the middle of the street. Happened right in front of the central station in Antwerpen. Just imagine how confused you are waking up laying in the middle of the road while a paramedic smacks you in the face and asks you if you know what your name is. I’m going to sp…

If it helps, you can point Antwerp's politicians to Copenhagen, where rental scooters have been banned from starting or ending journeys in the city centre. https://www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back-...

I don’t live in Antwerpen, just visiting sometimes. But good to know.

My doctor in Germany said to me this is a surprisingly common story.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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I’ve had this happen with actual humans. A human is coming toward me on a path. I zig. They zig. I zag. They zag. We walk into each other. It must be some kind of human path finding bug. :-)

I've never actually walked into people, usually after 2 or 3 you look at each other and smile and then one person steps to the side or both and then you go, no you, ok.

Are you implying we should implement a smile feature to the delivery bots?
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