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Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by hospadar » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:15 PM UTC

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #132

avereveard wrote: post #80

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No lol, it's the other people responsibility not to be a nuisance. But I agree throwing them aside is not the optimal solution. Municipality looking for money could get some large cash influx from ticketing improperly parked scooters, the owning company can decide to eat the loss or flip the ticket on the user, either way people will get educated fast. It would only take for the law enforcement to enforce rules that…

A fine doesn't help the person actually "inconvenienced" by the scooter(s). It just gives the city more money. Seems like the company might eat the fine, the city will take the money, and the problem persists, but now the city is happy too.

> Seems like the company might eat the fine, the city will take the money, and the problem persists, but now the city is happy too.

Then the fine isn't big enough? (:

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by renewiltord » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

_fullpint wrote: post #13

Absolutely hate these scooters from an ADA prospective. My neighborhood is a mostly quiet one near the center of a large city, where there are a lot of mothers who push their kids in strollers, older folks with canes, and some people even in wheelchairs. On the weekends -- sometimes the weekdays as well depending on the time of the year -- the city gets flooded with both tourists, and suburbanites who want to go to a…

This is one of those online exaggerations. Occasionally some people will behave badly. Just like sometimes you’ll see people stop their cars on the sidewalk or whatever. It’s fine.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by fishtacos » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #96

fishtacos wrote: post #58

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>>That's absurd, someone takes two seconds to move an object so someone else can get their food on time. That's just being a good human rather that sweating about "free labor to corporations" first. Someone who can afford a robot delivery can afford a human delivery for an extra 50 cents, or learn from this situation to not use that company again because they use robots and robots... suck, or further incentivizes the…

I'm pretty skeptical of folks who disregard basic human kindness, inserts their own hate for whatever it is they are concerned about and tries to disguise that as caring for others. Whatever happens to "scarce economy of delivery drivers" is going to happen. Clearing the sidewalk is just being nice to everyone.

Likewise, not a fan of folks who dismiss others' predicaments via injecting their own misunderstanding into an argument they neither understand, nor engage in earnestly.

Clearing the sidewalk is being nice. Clearing the sidewalk to help multibillion dollar companies so they cause less of a mess while pushing millions of others out of work is not.

Spare me your judgement.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by ck2 » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #157

jakub_g wrote: post #150

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What are "security robots" for the uninitiated?

These boys https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40642968 The ennui of their life clearly leads to their prematurely choosing one answer to Camus’s great question.

Ha the British made real Daleks (yes yes I know they aren't bots with living organism inside)

Eventually learn to self-upgrade to overcome stairs, then you've got a problem.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by pengaru » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #156

pengaru wrote: post #153

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Are you aware that if you loan your vehicle out and it's used in a crime you're liable?

Maybe, but if someone steals my car and uses it in a crime I'm not. And in this hypothetical, the company didn't loan the scooter to the person who caused the car crash with it.

The crime in this case is littering, and the person your hypothetical scooter company is going to pursue for moving the litter into the road where a car hit it is quite likely to be a minor whose identity you'll never determine.

But you're creating circumstances for this outcome to be probable by leaving unescured scooters littering sidewalks. Much like leaving your car idling with a key in the ignition and the doors unlocked creates circumstances for someone, possibly even a child, to climb in and commit a crime with it. It's negligence on your part.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by ryandrake » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

rosndo wrote: post #84

Robotbeat wrote: post #66

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Riffing on your comment, but I think there has been a general increase in antisociality in the last few years (especially since the pandemic, which has traumatized society). Like people leaving scooters haphazardly lying around or you pushing over delivery robots instead of pushing them out of the way. People feel more and more justified to engage in antisocial behavior. And it feeds on itself. You see this as being…

> but I think there has been a general increase in antisociality in the last few years (especially since the pandemic, which has traumatized society) It makes sense that people who feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society would feel rather bitter about that. To restore faith societies could take steps to compensate those worst hit by pandemic measures (i.e young people), so far…

I don't think it's fair to blame the pandemic measures, at least in the USA. People weren't nice and then all of a sudden turned shitty because they were asked to voluntarily stay home. I think it's more likely that they were already antisocial people, but spent most of their lives keeping it inside and mostly hiding it under a thin facade of basic manners. Then, maybe several years ago, something happened that encouraged them that manners didn't matter, and it's ok to own your own asshole. Maybe someone showed us that you could just say the quiet part out loud without consequences. Hmm... Some human embodiment of narcissistic anti-social contrarianism... Can't quite put my finger on it though...

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by fishtacos » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

financetechbro wrote: post #149

fishtacos wrote: post #58

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>>That's absurd, someone takes two seconds to move an object so someone else can get their food on time. That's just being a good human rather that sweating about "free labor to corporations" first. Someone who can afford a robot delivery can afford a human delivery for an extra 50 cents, or learn from this situation to not use that company again because they use robots and robots... suck, or further incentivizes the…

People are not “50 cents” more expensive than robots…

Robots are also more functional.

What's your cut off for accepting this nuisance and detriment?

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by coldpie » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

CPLX wrote: post #142

_fullpint wrote: post #13

Absolutely hate these scooters from an ADA prospective. My neighborhood is a mostly quiet one near the center of a large city, where there are a lot of mothers who push their kids in strollers, older folks with canes, and some people even in wheelchairs. On the weekends -- sometimes the weekdays as well depending on the time of the year -- the city gets flooded with both tourists, and suburbanites who want to go to a…

How selfish of you. You should take more than 2 minutes and spend the time to throw them in a nearby body of water and solve the problem more permanently.

Please don't pollute our waterways. Place them where they belong--into a nearby dumpster or the middle of the street.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by clsec » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

lucasmullens wrote: post #152

gwbas1c wrote: post #124

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> Why don’t you take 2 minutes Wow, if a 3-4 minute walk involves 10 scooters that's now almost a 25-minute walk. It's not the OP's job to clean up after everyone else.

No one encounters 10 misplaced scooters in a 3-4 minute walk, and it would take under a minute to move a single scooter. That's a very unrealistic hypothetical.

I guess you've never been in SOMA in San Francisco. I used to live in that neighborhood and in the 3 block walk to the coffee shop I could easily pass 20-30 of them. In my current neighborhood I'll see about 6 in the same distance.

Re: Difficult situation on campus: traffic jam of food delivery robots

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Post by Kye » Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #83

Accacin wrote: post #75

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So a minor inconvenience for cleaner air in your neighbourhood? Ofc, I feel for disabled people in this situation, but personally I'll pick one up or move it if I see that it's in the way. Here when the were first released, the parking was a bit scuffed, but recently it seems people have been making a much greater effort to park them correctly.

That's still very dismissive of anyone using the sidewalks. Good for you that you pick up someone else's shit, but it's not a solution. These companies should take responsibility and fix the problem.

Waiting for capitalists to clean up their mess is a losing strategy. Change is almost universally a grassroots thing. Get enough people to put things in their proper place, and people leaving them there will get the message. I've seen this work at all scales. Model the society you want to live in and it will catch on, at least a little.