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Why shouldn't it be? Rule of law basically means laws apply to everyone the same.

The right not no have your stuff stolen doesn't apply to you if you own a store

It's pretty clear that both you and logicchains are here to concern troll, nothing more.

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After some bad experiences I will never visit an Arab country again. They'll have to do something against the sexism, constant heckling and the bad state of law before I even think about going there. Or they can do whatever they want, they don't have to change just for me. I'm 6 ft 6 and I have a blonde wife who's just a bit smaller. Even though we behaved very polite and dressed like locals it was like we had a big…

I'm 6'6"... I wish you would mention the countries so I can make sure to never go.

Dubai, UAE, basically any supposed theocracy run by sheikhs should be avoided.

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How do some australian dudes not get trouble from their government for participating/organizing a kidnapping to blackmail somebody? The US persons especially.

If you know more about what I could do, please get in touch (email on my profile). I am not from Australia or the US, so I don't really know how to start with such procedure. Also, it was such a traumatic experience that I was truly relieved when me and my family were back at home and safe, I wanted to just forget about it and rebuild my life at the moment. Now I'm in a much better place so I'm looking to, at least,…

My limited understanding of the US law in regards to this is that if something is illegal in the US, the US persons are liable even if they commit the crime abroad. So they should still be criminally liable. Australia should have something similar, but I know even less about the relevant details.

I wish I could be of more help.

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Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd. Slavery is one of the worst things humans do to each other, and vaccines are one of our greatest accomplishments as a species. You can go through life as a walking petri dish for dark age plagues if you'd like, but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.

>Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd

Comparing the covid vaccines to previous vaccines is simply absurd. You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE! The covid vaccines do not do this! Even if you get the covid vaccine, you can still get covid and you can still die! And not only that, the covid vaccines are at least an order of magnitude more dangerous than previous vaccines in terms of causing severe adverse effects and death, as measured by post-market safety databases like VAERS and VigiAccess.

That aside, I'm not comparing slavery to vaccines; I'm comparing slavery to compulsory medical treatment! Both are horrendous assaults on human dignity because they deny the person's right to choose what they do with their body.

>but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.

Have fun when the government forces you to inject some chip or implant to track your every movement and there's nobody there to save you because all the people who brave enough to fight for bodily autonomy already left your sick state.

The rights that protect someone like me from someone like you assaulting me with needles are the same rights that would prevent a future Trump-but-worse leader from sterilising someone like you for your sexual preferences. Give up those rights, and the majority has full control over what goes into your body.

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You wax poetically about UAE (mostly emotion, little fact), then remind the reader that it is an Islamic dictatorship. Why would any intelligent person ever set foot there? I'd lose over half of my current rights as it stands.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59845833

> The United Arab Emirates has announced that it will ban citizens who have not had three doses of a vaccine against Covid-19 from travelling abroad.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-mandates-covid...

> DUBAI, May 26 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates said vaccinations against COVID-19 will be mandatory for people attending all "live events" from June 6, as the country pushes a vaccination campaign which has consistently been one of the fastest in the world.

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All I ever hear is horror stories about this place: environmental destruction, structural racism, serious abuse of human rights, culturally hyper conservative, corrupt legal system, plus it's absurdly hot. I can't believe anyone would voluntarily go there, seems like hell on earth.

I say this as somebody who lived in one of those Middle Eastern countries for a good period of my life. I'm not a white person and at that time I didn't have a US/European passport, so I didn't lead an extra privalaged life there. Here's what you can hear about the USA. 1)Endless suburban sprawl, resulting in massive environmental destruction. Illegal immigrants heavily involved in the construction industry, leading…

In the face of all of this, the US remains the most desirable place to emigrate to. The logical conclusion here is that the impression you have from news is not the complete picture. The US is massive and diverse. If you go by the county level, the US contains the highest HDI areas in the world.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59845833 > The United Arab Emirates has announced that it will ban citizens who have not had three doses of a vaccine against Covid-19 from travelling abroad. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-mandates-covid... > DUBAI, May 26 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates said vaccinations against COVID-19 will be mandatory for people attending all "live events" from June…

That's like saying Florida has vaccine passports because Biden said the US will. The individual emirates, like Dubai, have even more independence than US states. I actually live in Dubai and there's zero usage of vaccine passports for anything. The emirate of Abu Dhabi is very big on them, but Abu Dhabi is not Dubai in the same way Washington DC is not Texas.

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You remind me of myself when I used to work for Amazon. I'd also spend a lot of time explaining to friends how "It's complicated" and "You know, they also do a lot of good things". But the reality I wouldn't admit to myself was much simpler: they were doing awful things, but I was willing to work for them as long as they paid me enough and made my life comfortable enough. It's very uncomfortable to admit to yourself…

I appreciate the thought, but I’d raise the same thing I mentioned in the other comment, that I’m here for humanitarian reasons rather than simply trying to “strike it rich” or something. My ethics and morals are incredibly important to me and you suggesting that just by merely being present in this country without knowing why is in someway selling myself out is presumptuous. I’ll add something else, as someone who h…

I’m curious about your stated reason for being there. Dubai gives Humanitarian visas to foreigners? To work in its own country (which then means it’s admitting it needs help)? I guess the host company is Dubaian? With all sincerity, I’m curious.
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