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Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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No, Slack-mania can't be cured with systemized discipline. Slack is a pox. It's not just about endless notifications that kill your ability to focus, it's an environment that actively encourages organizational anti-patterns. If you have a question, first you ask your manager. If Slack makes it easy to reach out to someone directly, your manager will tell you to Slack them. If you don't have Slack, and you don't have…

> No, Slack-mania can't be cured with systemized discipline.

This matches with my (n=1) experience. The only way to cure "yourself" is to get away from organizations that use Slack in the way that OP describes.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#142

No, Slack-mania can't be cured with systemized discipline. Slack is a pox. It's not just about endless notifications that kill your ability to focus, it's an environment that actively encourages organizational anti-patterns. If you have a question, first you ask your manager. If Slack makes it easy to reach out to someone directly, your manager will tell you to Slack them. If you don't have Slack, and you don't have…

All comms through manager sounds like a dystopian nightmare worse than slack if you ask me...

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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post #142

No, Slack-mania can't be cured with systemized discipline. Slack is a pox. It's not just about endless notifications that kill your ability to focus, it's an environment that actively encourages organizational anti-patterns. If you have a question, first you ask your manager. If Slack makes it easy to reach out to someone directly, your manager will tell you to Slack them. If you don't have Slack, and you don't have…

All comms through manager sounds like a dystopian nightmare worse than slack if you ask me...

I don't mean all communication, I just mean in the case that you aren't aware of what to do because you're new.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#144
Our experiences don't match regarding threading, and I don't think the author's are necessarily representative. Slack's threading implementation is an afterthought, a bandaid solution. With it, conversations usually end up as a mix of some replies in a thread and some in the default clutterspace. In this regard even Teams has a better approach, it's really obvious if you're in a topic thread or not.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#145

Our experiences don't match regarding threading, and I don't think the author's are necessarily representative. Slack's threading implementation is an afterthought, a bandaid solution. With it, conversations usually end up as a mix of some replies in a thread and some in the default clutterspace. In this regard even Teams has a better approach, it's really obvious if you're in a topic thread or not.

Agree completely; if you've only used slack check out Zulip for an example of how a good threading model works.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#146
This doesn't really sound like a problem with Slack, but rather a personal or cultural problem with a lack of setting or respecting boundaries.

Slack has options to communicate:

- that you're away

- that you're on a call or in a meeting etc.

- to pause notifications for an hour or whatever

- to star the most relevant channels

- to mute less-relevant channels

- to leave irrelevant channels

- to sideline conversations into threads

All of that is just Slack itself, in addition to things like putting meetings and vacations and other appointments on the shared team calendar. Some people where I work book meetings with themselves to guarantee focused distraction-free time. That's completely valid.

Part of being a professional is setting boundaries, communicating them, setting the expectations that the rest of your team will do the same, and of course, respecting those boundaries.

That includes not calling or pestering people that are on vacation. Which also requires that you don't "check in" while you're on vacation, because if you do, then other people will feel like they're expected to as well.

Set and communicate your boundaries, and in a team that respects each other, it shouldn't be a problem.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#147

> For the next five years I operated in “Slack culture”, the communication paradigm that I suspect is in use by many companies these days. Email inboxes were more or less reserved for broadcasts from exec and HR along with JIRA spam. Everything else happens on Slack. This is the real problem, IMO. Slack shouldn't be replacing e-mail or meetings or phone calls. It's great for impromptu discussions with a lot of back-a…

This behavior is caused by the presence indicator. People subsconsiously are afraid that closing Slack will signal to their boss (and team) that they're not working. However, the result is that they spend their days slacking - not working. Presence indicators are a dark pattern.

> they spend their days slacking

what's in a name?

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#148
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack would become the best chat app for every company out there with just one simple feature (or the lack of it): - remove the "user is online" green dot. Really, it's not needed. Once it's removed then everything becomes async by default (and so everything slows down a little bit =>everyone is happier)

You do know that you can set yourself as away and nobody will be able to see your online status?

Or just leave yourself 'online' all the time.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#149
I (and somehow the rest of our company) has been spared the constant slack problem but I still don’t know if this is the nature of our work (we work on hardware) or the culture this company has somehow cultivated. Or both.

First, we use Teams. And we have set up Teams to be messenger/chat oriented first, and group chat second. In fact, the group chat feature is heavily controlled and limited to posting domain/company-wide updates. I don’t know if this was intentional, but so it goes.

Result: people use Teams as a substitute for walking across campus to ask a quick question. Or to bounce off an idea. Or to quickly check status. Or to send gifs in meetings.

Second, as a hardware focused company, traceability is super important. You don’t want to be leaving technical decisions on ephemeral chat. You don’t want drawings, schematics, and instructions lost to people just chatting in Slack/Teams.

Result: email/Jira/wiki it is.

Third: as a hardware focused company, the personnel is divided into technicians and engineers. And the technicians do not actively look at their phones/computers. It can be hours sometimes before one of them responds. Last thing you want is a tech looking at their phone every 10 minutes while wielding a rivet gun.

Don’t expect a design engineer to be so quick on their response time either. They’re either deep into a CAD design, in a design meeting, or on the floor with a tech. Don’t Ask to Ask is not specifically taught but most everyone learns to Just Ask because who knows when you’re “Hey I have a question” is getting answered.

Result: most online communication is asynchronous anyways. Urgent matters will result in a call or someone running across campus.

I’m sure Slack plagues many a hardware company. But somehow we have cultivated a culture that discourages spending too much time in chat or storing important info there. If a question becomes too long or complicated, we ask each other to email. If a question is asked too frequently, it is logged in the wiki. If a question becomes rather convoluted, we call each other to quickly resolve the matter.

Messaging doesn’t need to be the enemy. It can be a powerful tool to keep in touch with others flung across the campus/globe.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

#150
I'm new to Slack (just leaving a FAANG for a startup) and all the inbox management skills I've built up over the years seem to be useless now.

Is there a good way to create an async task list from Slack? Right now if I get a message on Slack that I want to handle later I can:

a) Ignore it, so I keep the unread "red dot"

b) Use the "remind me" feature to make it synchronous but later

c) Just ... handle it now (sigh)

What I want is a list of threads I am meaning to get back to, but without having to actually use a separate list-making app. Is there a Slack app or workflow for this?

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