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SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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Is Shotwell a real last name? Seems too appropriate.

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You win the sour grapes award. Amazing how Tesla is worth a trillion and SpaceX over a hundred billion now, but it's all just a trick right? Each company conning investors for almost 20 years now. Look at all the things they haven't accomplished.

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I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I can absolutely see regular passenger service on Starship by 2028. Obviously that's a very aspirational price-point but I don't see how even a strict ruling on fraud would uphold that charge.

Really? In 5 years ROCKETS will be as safe as airplanes? And as cheap? And possible to fly over cities etc (talking about Shotwells promises here)? You really think this?

*reusable rockets. Rocket launches are associated with very high costs because rockets have historically been one-time use.

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I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I can absolutely see regular passenger service on Starship by 2028. Obviously that's a very aspirational price-point but I don't see how even a strict ruling on fraud would uphold that charge.

Really? In 5 years ROCKETS will be as safe as airplanes? And as cheap? And possible to fly over cities etc (talking about Shotwells promises here)? You really think this?

I hate framing it this way but your passionate hating has me doing it - do you build rockets? Or cars? What exactly do you do that gives you such certainty in bringing down these people who have already achieved so much? Their "dream big" mentality is sorely lacking in a society full of cynical, dead eyed and uncreative drones focused on nothing but financing their own survival or excesses. Applaud it, don't try to bring it down. There's literally no point. At a minimum they inspire others to get out there and get after it tackling problems.

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This from her seemed dangerously like fraud: https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_f... Passenger service by 2028 on starship for between an economy and business class ticket. A couple years later they confirmed they were still going for the same timeline.

I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I can absolutely see regular passenger service on Starship by 2028. Obviously that's a very aspirational price-point but I don't see how even a strict ruling on fraud would uphold that charge.

I'm just a bit of a fan of Elon Musk. It won't happen by 2028 of course. Price isn't a problem at all at scale, but regulatory pressure will be. If a cargo point-to-point flight will happen, it already will be something, but I don't know of any cargo, military included, that requires such a speed.

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The hardest part is selling a compelling vision that connect with people and motivates a whole new generation, not to mention investors and the gov to invest.

Yes. See Theranos. There has to be some sensible ratio of bullshit/vision.

Sound very much like the argument that you shouldn’t trust vegetarians because Hitler was one.

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This from her seemed dangerously like fraud: https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_f... Passenger service by 2028 on starship for between an economy and business class ticket. A couple years later they confirmed they were still going for the same timeline.

> This from her seemed dangerously like fraud Pretty heavy statement. Which part is the fraud? The timeline or the ability? I think it's fair to say far-fetched, but the label fraud or even "sounding like fraud" sounds too heavy.

Maybe that the system requires starts at sea because of destructive noise levels, but most of the destinations listed in the video are either land-locked or don't have that kind of access to free coast lines? You can argue future technicalities, but not geography.

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I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I can absolutely see regular passenger service on Starship by 2028. Obviously that's a very aspirational price-point but I don't see how even a strict ruling on fraud would uphold that charge.

Really? In 5 years ROCKETS will be as safe as airplanes? And as cheap? And possible to fly over cities etc (talking about Shotwells promises here)? You really think this?

You should actually watch the presentation. All these questions are answered.

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https://archive.is/1IIml BTW, if you like the Energia rocket and heavy metal, you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWfqOSdzs4 . This quote (from the article) is astounding: > [SpaceX] has pulled off 111 Falcon 9 launches in a row without failure

The last failure in flight was 2015. Since then there were 120 successful launches and no failures. There was one payload lost in 2016 during a static fire test.

Thanks for the update. Did you get your count from this Wiki page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_He...

I'm not sure if that is a reliable source. (Please don't read that comment as a general commentary about Wiki!)

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> Mr Musk’s development philosophy is that “if things are not failing, you aren’t innovating enough.” My boss used to keep saying "move fast and break things!" Then a new guy seriously messed up and almost lost us a valuable client. The boss demanded an explanation. I said the new guy moved fast and broke things. He actually wrote that in the explanation to the client. I haven't heard that phrase from him since.

You work for Facebook?

Re: SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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I think that even if Elon Musk and Gwynne Shotwell stopped everything at SpaceX right now, their contributions with Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy are enough to etch their names in history. The three Falcon heavy boosters landing is nothing short of sci-fi coming true.

What have these two people actually done, except lying all the time? And abusing their workers? Also, these "magical" landings have been made 60 YEARS AGO! Go Musk! Hyperloop! FSD! Robotaxis! Semi! VTOL with pressurized air! Tesla robot! Pedo guy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cjZTCay24

You have a fundamental scientific misunderstanding of the difference in difficulty of landing a rocket that goes straight up and down and landing a rocket that has just put something into an orbital trajectory.

If it's so easy why doesn't everyone do it?

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