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> if I go all out on a row machine for 30 minutes, I'll burn 300 calories. A stationary bike at a steady 20mph pace is about 500 calories in 30 minutes. That's really significant. An hour will erase about a third of a normal person's diet. When I used to do heavy training (long distance running, weight training) I would eat close to 8k calories a day and I was in fantastic shape. Eating more was necessary to survive,…

>A stationary bike at a steady 20mph pace is about 500 calories in 30 minutes It is also something at most a tiny minority of the obese population can do.

I just plugged a 300 pound person in to a calculator for a “moderate” walking speed, and that’d burn nearly 500 calories in an hour.

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I think we have fitness wrong in this side of the world. I grew up seeing 60 year olds that were as fit as youths in the west. They didn’t have a treadmill or did keto diets. My take away was fitness should be a lifestyle and to avoid lots of western food (sugar, processed, empty calories, I drink only water, etc). I don’t count calories and can eat twice in the morning. If I counted, both morning meals are less than…

How is sugar and processed/empty calories a "western" thing? What do you mean by "west"?

"West" probably meaning the US which then also wants to include Europe for some reason, despite it making very little sense.

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I feel like this is already known?

I watched some anime Netflix years ago where the main character played a board game. Eating candy to account for the energy expenditure of the mentally taxing game was in the script.

I read an article about Magnus Carlsen exercising and eating a strict diet so he could cope with the energy expenditure of high level chess for long periods.

It's weird to see it now framed as like a revolution that making this girl do rapid math problems increased her calorie expenditure.

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> “You can’t exercise your way out of obesity,” […] “you can’t outrun a bad diet.” While this article is being a bit dramatic and possibly understating the impact of exercise slightly, I feel a little dumb that I didn’t know this earlier. It took me several decades too long to understand the obvious, that exercise is for building strength, and losing weight happens by eating less. I tried for way too many years to ex…

It's not true though. If you exercise enough you will be in a calorie deficit regardless of what you eat. I knew rowers that couldn't keep weight on during the season no matter what they ate, and they ate a lot. The exercise is what is causing the calorie deficit, not watching what they ate.

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I found the unquestioned valuing of weight-loss throughout the article tiresome. It also seemed to be entirely besides the point; not once did it mention any research Pontzer had done on the topic. My frustration with the article was only compounded by the repeated use of the term du jour, "inflammation". How he confidently states that exercise can reduce this nebulous phenomenon, basically without any evidence, is incredibly dangerous.

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For me I lose my appetite for about a half hour, I was taught it's simply blood from your stomach being used elsewhere. After a short recovery period I'm definitely extra hungry.

Intermittent fasting can help repair a lot of things in your body, make you live longer, etc. Vegans live on average 10 year longer! The hunger you feel the first day btw is not "real" hunger, it's just your stomach growling and you being used to eat. After you ignore hunger for 3 days, your body stops wanting food. That's if you want to do a cleanse. (I've never done one though)

Short fasting has been shown to have positive health effects when done right. Even short fasting can be dangerous and should absolutely not be done without prior consultation of a medical professional.

That being said 'clesnding' has been disproven scientifically so many times, I think there must be a Necromancer for bad nutritional myths out there. I just can't understand why this myth (together with others) always comes back from the grave.

Regarding vegans. Yes a primarily plant-based diet has been shown in studies to be beneficial to health. Depending on the environment of the test subjects. For practical purposes in western/northern societies that holds true.

The important word is plant based. Because without either taking extreme care of the (especially) micro nutrients as a vegan you either need to substitute or be extra cautious. And of omnivores with a primarily plant based diet also look at their nutritional balance, caloric intake and such, the difference between diets in the studied groups vanished.

So one could say if eating primarily plant based and being mindful of our diet and nutritional needs, there is no difference scientifically.

The only remaining difference is one of personal values and believes. The question of how (or if) do we want to have animals treated to firm our diet. Personally I would add to look at how do we want the humans in the food production chain treated as well and how do we want our diets to have an ecological impact.

But as said - these are existential because deeply personal value questions that can't be scientifically discussed.

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The thing is, exercise still reduces appetite. It raises the blood sugar levels as the body supplies the muscles with carbohydrates, and triggers a complementary response in appetite hormones. Finally, and most importantly: Exercise releases dopamine. Dieting is universally a mood killer, because kilo-joule deficit equals starvation. So whilst it does not directly impact weight loss. It still makes it (a bit) easier.…

> exercise still reduces appetite

Please be careful generalizing anectodal facts. Lots of people, me included, have otherwise experience.

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> “You can’t exercise your way out of obesity,” […] “you can’t outrun a bad diet.” While this article is being a bit dramatic and possibly understating the impact of exercise slightly, I feel a little dumb that I didn’t know this earlier. It took me several decades too long to understand the obvious, that exercise is for building strength, and losing weight happens by eating less. I tried for way too many years to ex…

I think a big part of the issue is that popular fitness and weight loss advice has perpetuated the wrong way to exercise to loose weight. When most people think about exercise for weight loss, they imagine long exhausting sessions on the treadmill, dripping with sweat, and a high calorie burn number. While the short term results may seem great based on the immediate calories burned, it's actually a terrible strategy…

Some very bold claims, would love some citations to give them more credibility.

HIIT workouts are great for cardiovascular fitness and melted the fat off of me that I gained from a sedentary lifestyle spanning the last 2-3 years for example.

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> Exercise doesn’t help you burn more energy on average; active hunter-gatherers in Africa don’t expend more energy daily than sedentary office workers in Illinois; pregnant women don’t burn more calories per day than other adults, after adjusting for body mass. I love this intro. > His message that exercise won’t help you lose weight “lacks nuance,” says exercise physiologist John Thyfault of the University of Kansa…

I'm baffled by the take away from the study. If a sedentary person and an athletic person burn about the same, doesn't that just mean the sedentary person's energy is being spent on maintaining and accumulating fat mass? But why is that waffled about instead of stated? Major Edit: more concise example >As the athletes’ ran more and more over weeks or months, their metabolic engines cut back elsewhere to make room for…

If storing fat burned calories, it would make for a pretty poor way to store calories...

Re: Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories

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> “You can’t exercise your way out of obesity,” […] “you can’t outrun a bad diet.” While this article is being a bit dramatic and possibly understating the impact of exercise slightly, I feel a little dumb that I didn’t know this earlier. It took me several decades too long to understand the obvious, that exercise is for building strength, and losing weight happens by eating less. I tried for way too many years to ex…

OMAD works wonders. First three days are brutal, and then you get used to it.
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