Does anybody have a link to what the kid actually did? I skimmed the video, looked at the diagram, read the original MAKE article, and it seems like the kid did a science project and it doesn't actually diagnose pneumonia. Am I missing something important? The reason I'm asking is that I see a lot of these (used to judge science fairs, worked with smart undergraduates who build their own equipment) but most of it ove…
A 13-year-old used my artificial nose to diagnose pneumonia
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Re: A 13-year-old used my artificial nose to diagnose pneumonia
#172Does anyone else approach these "teen invents x" or "wiz kid middle schooler discovers y" articles with extreme skepticism? About half the time the invention turns out to be bogus or trivial, and in the other half it comes to light the parents were behind it.
His vocabulary rivals that of a 20 year old software engineer. It's pretty impressive.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
You cannot conjure information out of thin air. Even with infinite data and a hypothetical wormhole CPU that runs everything in O(1) and solves the halting problem, you still couldn't do this. So to answer your question, the reason is effectively (A). Sensor resolution might be the wrong term but it's the general idea.
How much information content is there in DNA (and RNA,)? How do creatures know or learn what not to eat given limited available sensor data?
How do creatures know what to eat? Evolution solved that for most creatures, so their sensors don't have to work as hard at runtime. And in other cases, some number of members of a population of creatures will die before the population learns the food is poisonous. Our sensors, and the information processing systems that manage their outputs, are remarkably efficient data processing engines that do the equivalent of approximating and predicting, often well beyond what the most advanced deep learning systems are capable of doing now.
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I cannot over-emphasize how utterly demoralizing things like this are to those children. The kids who are smart enough to do real work are also smart enough to figure out that nobody will care. I was so discouraged by finding out the other children who liked web development and coding had outside help, and I had a really hard time understanding why things like Synapse could get a PC Mag review, but I'd be accused of…
Note that Larry Page's parents did more than just to code. They embedded him from birth in the academic system so that he was prepared, at Stanford, to recognize the importance of, and capitalize upon the organic value of web content. He was also exposed to the Grateful Dead, which probably helped build a healthy dose of capitalism and libertarianism. Similarly, I was raised in an academic environment exposed early t…
I can't claim to be completely without privilege: I'm about as well-off as you can get and still be considered from a disadvantaged background: My mother dropped out of high school and ran away at 15 (ironically her family included engineers and at least one MSU professor), so while I never had the money, my socio never really matched my economic, class wise. It's more that if you were any lower on the ladder than I was, you just didn't have a computer or MAYBE you might have something like the 5 free hours of AOL in the late 90s. A computer with hours of internet access in 93 required some privilege.
There were a couple of G+T things I did, but I got the money we did scrounge for those from my dad, and once he married my stepmom that stopped because she believed very strongly in gender roles (she wanted me to like clothes shopping and makeup like my sisters and her female relatives) and she also wanted to live in the middle of nowhere.
> That said, I guess if you don't get a leg up as a kid and go on to be successful through grit you can always appreciate that your hard work and determination paid off?
Eh, I'm not going to be successful, because doing so would require neglecting either my own health or that of my family. I have MS, and that just explodes the ability to do any kind of career planning.
That has its own silver lining, though, because I can say whatever the hell I want. Which is its own kind of freedom: I have a 'get out of hustle free' card. It's almost like skipping from being 25 to 65: I had to do a lot of reckoning with my own mortality, what I was worth if I wasn't able to have a high powered career, what did I actually want out of life, etc.
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> Is there not more to life than gaming university applications? No. A lot of parents are getting their kids phony medical diagnostics just so they can get extra time on exams. [0] [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2019/03/16/fake-lea...
But also please be aware that some of them aren't phony.
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#176Cool. And, I have a 13-year and she is still, literally, crying over spilt milk, hacked Roblox merchandize, how done the steak is, why her monitor is tilted wrong, and why I din't warned her before rebooting the primary router.
My son, now a sophomore at UCSC, definitely gave me a few moments of "Uhh... I really hope my kid isn't an idiot" at that age. Living in Silicon Valley, he had friends creating crazy Gary's Mod levels using Python (this was a decade ago) that they collaborated on using GitHub. I was shocked at how sophisticated junior high coders could get! My son, however, is not a techie and like his father, has always been a littl…
My path into biology was looking into a microscope and seeing a world of non-computer state machines that behaved like cellular automata. and then my path led back to computers because real biology is much harder than CS.
And I think some kids get into astronomy if I demo my telescope showing them planets and stars. But I don't really push kids too hard in one or another direction; my parents thought I should learn german so I could excel at organic chemistry
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Re: A 13-year-old used my artificial nose to diagnose pneumonia
#177Is the headline being a straight-up lie a valid reason for flagging? The kid did not diagnose pneumonia. He came up with an idea for a design that might hypothetically detect pneumonia.
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#178The main invention is in the electronic nose. The kid just did the plumbing of connecting it to some ML library. Of course, the electronic nose itself is a work of plumbing too, where some existing gas sensors are put on a pcb. In short, nothing seems really new here, but the application is interesting. I guess it's always interesting when people start looking for correlations in data and get some positive results, s…
With this reasoning, aren't most things a work of plumbing, and nothing ever really new? And isn't it how innovation happens, at the end of the day?
What matters isn't making new things, it's making new things that work, and bringing them all the way to completion.
The vast majority of innovation isn't exciting discovery, it's coming up with tests to convince yourself you actually did what you thought you did and sharing those results with regulators. That's the difference between Theranos and GRAIL.
I just built a tardigrade detector neural network; nobody has done that exact thing before, and now i'm talking to the world's leading tardigrade researcher because my tool might be helpful in answering an unanswered important tardigrade question.
But thousands if not millions of individuals worked over hundreds to thousands of years to bring us that tardigrade detector; all I did was take advantage of that to label 100 images! I've tried being an ML researcher; my conclusion is the best models are distilled from postdoc tears, and we merely retrain those models without pain.
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#179I had no idea there was an e-nose project out there. Is e-nose a field with active research or is it something that's seen as being just too hard/cross disciplinary? I see robust e-nose as being a huge development that would change how we see the world.
Did you ever measure a smell? Can you tell whether one smell is just twice strong as another? Can you measure the difference between two kinds of smell and another? It is very obvious that we have very many different kinds of smells, all the way from the odour of violets and roses up to asafetida. But until you can measure their likeness and differences, you can have no science of odour. If you are ambitious to find a new science, measure a smell.
— Alexander Graham Bell, 1914
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In my experience, "AI can extract more information from sensors" is mostly a myth. An example is the SCIO sensor ( https://nocamels.com/2019/03/scio-kickstarter-darling-promis... ) which was a cheap handheld spectrometer that claimed to accurately determine the nutritional information of any food you pointed it at. One good way to debunk this is to measure raw sensor output and compute Mutual Information (which incor…
Is the limit: A) sensor resolution, B) NN architecture and/or algorithm, C) training sample size, D) training data (labeling, segmentation) quality, or E) it doesn't sufficiently predict the variance with low enough error? New NN models are able to do more with the exact same sensor data.
The idea that a magic math technique can replace expensive sensors predates NN's by a few decades. Dozens of start-ups have gone bankrupt trying to do non-invasive blood glucose with portable sensors.
This is a very crude but at least conceptually useful rule of thumb: It's all of the above, but ultimately the analysis result is a mathematical function of an array of values produced by the sensor. Very few math functions do not have the property, that variation in the output increases with the level of variation in the input.