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Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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In the main article Slack communication is assumed to be synchronous. I find life to be a little happier when it's assumed to be asynchronous. That means turning off some channel notifications. When I really want effective synchronous communication I tend to escalate from Slack to audio or video a screen share -- it seems like there's an extra layer of collaboration that you can have with a bit higher bandwidth. For…

Is there a way to have this async communication presented in a better way? I am on Discord, Telegram, and Slack sometimes with thousands of members. Yet, I mostly don't read posts anymore because it's just a full marketplace talking and finding that needle in a haystack of good information is impossible. So unless I am in sync I can't read.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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> For the next five years I operated in “Slack culture”, the communication paradigm that I suspect is in use by many companies these days. Email inboxes were more or less reserved for broadcasts from exec and HR along with JIRA spam. Everything else happens on Slack.

This is the real problem, IMO.

Slack shouldn't be replacing e-mail or meetings or phone calls. It's great for impromptu discussions with a lot of back-and-forth, but once it becomes a serious conversation with multiple parties you need to escalate to a call or meeting or e-mail. Casual, asynchronous chat is great for low-importance conversations that aren't time sensitive. It's terrible for coordinating and making important decisions in a timely manner, though. Don't be afraid to schedule a synchronous communication session in whatever flavor you prefer.

Once you start making Slack the center of communication, you stop making deliberate decisions about who is included in e-mails/meetings. Now everyone in the channel has to skim everything to make sure they're not missing out on anything important. Busybodies love it because they can be a fly on the wall for everything. Heads-down workers hate it because they have to choose between focusing on their work or checking into Slack all of the time. It optimizes for the wrong kind of engagement.

Trying to enforce a lot of rules around threading is a band-aid, IMO. The real solution should be to create a culture where people aren't trying to force every interaction into Slack or avoid meetings at all costs. Excessive meetings are a problem, but going out of your way to avoid all meetings will waste more time than it frees up.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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One of the things I miss working at Facebook is the internal FB (called Workplace). It basically replaced email for the whole company, and worked really well for long form posts where maybe you would write some proposal up or make an announcement and get a bunch of comments. I now work at a slack centric company, and it just doesn't compare - there is no 'newsfeed', so unless you remember to check all the channels, y…

Does it show completely different posts each time you reload the page, like it does on Facebook.com?

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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We're a very small company which makes this all easier, but we've ended up with a similar Slack convention of everything being in threads and it makes Slack a lot more managable.

This works well until your team hits a certain size and suddenly you've got dozens of threads going on per day, and you're trying to somehow manage following threads, channels, and DMs.

I'm sick of Slack for this reason, and I think I'm going to start participating only as much as is required not to lose my job.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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post #3

One of the things I miss working at Facebook is the internal FB (called Workplace). It basically replaced email for the whole company, and worked really well for long form posts where maybe you would write some proposal up or make an announcement and get a bunch of comments. I now work at a slack centric company, and it just doesn't compare - there is no 'newsfeed', so unless you remember to check all the channels, y…

Workplace Chat is like Slack and depending on the team, that can be where a lot of the discussion happens. For a couple of my teams I feel like it’s been the worst of both worlds. I still have emails, gotta check my WP posts, but also have discussion happening in chat all day long.

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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In the main article Slack communication is assumed to be synchronous. I find life to be a little happier when it's assumed to be asynchronous. That means turning off some channel notifications. When I really want effective synchronous communication I tend to escalate from Slack to audio or video a screen share -- it seems like there's an extra layer of collaboration that you can have with a bit higher bandwidth. For…

Slack would become the best chat app for every company out there with just one simple feature (or the lack of it):

- remove the "user is online" green dot.

Really, it's not needed. Once it's removed then everything becomes async by default (and so everything slows down a little bit =>everyone is happier)

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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post #3

One of the things I miss working at Facebook is the internal FB (called Workplace). It basically replaced email for the whole company, and worked really well for long form posts where maybe you would write some proposal up or make an announcement and get a bunch of comments. I now work at a slack centric company, and it just doesn't compare - there is no 'newsfeed', so unless you remember to check all the channels, y…

I've seen internal Facebook-alikes a couple places and they've been gross LinkedIn-tone places taken over by HR and managers doing rah-rah-let's-go-we're-so-great stuff and a few workers trying to kiss ass. What about Facebook's kept it from being that? Broader culture, or was there some enforcement of it?

(plus, and this is just a me-problem, I find them impossibly confusing because they ape Facebook's UI, which I find so hard to understand that my one attempt to use it for about a month c. 2010 was nothing but frustration and wondering how the hell normal people manage to use it)

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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> For the next five years I operated in “Slack culture”, the communication paradigm that I suspect is in use by many companies these days. Email inboxes were more or less reserved for broadcasts from exec and HR along with JIRA spam. Everything else happens on Slack. This is the real problem, IMO. Slack shouldn't be replacing e-mail or meetings or phone calls. It's great for impromptu discussions with a lot of back-a…

> but once it becomes a serious conversation with multiple parties you need to escalate to a call or meeting or e-mail.

Why? Having multiple different communication buses seems like a problem as well. Possibly a worse one IMO

Re: Can Slack-mania be cured with systemized discipline?

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To me, it is incredible that Slack is used WITHOUT threads. There is no way that information and discussions can be effective without a threaded conversation - it would just be pure cause otherwise.

Also, I find feature-specific channels to be such a pleasure. It's easy to have everyone focused on the same topic in a given channel, without any confusion or missing information between different channels or private messages.

Moreover, I have also considered Slack to be asynchronous - meetings are necessary for sync work, but I find Slack to be working perfectly if no one expects that you reply within minutes, but within a few days (if you are not actively working on a project - in that case a lot of times is just easier to schedule very fast meetings during no-focus times)

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