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SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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For lack of a political will or the technical know how?

The popular wisdom is that we literally lost some of the technical specs and drawings. A lot of the R&D would have to be redone from scratch... not that it wouldn't make sense to do that anyway, 50+ years later.

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The thing that's impressive to me, in addition to the sheer size of these machines, is the engines . The Raptor 2 is groundbreaking. And there's 30+ of them between both stages. It's just incredible, and there's nothing like it that's been done.

> The thing that's impressive to me, in addition to the sheer size of these machines, is the engines. The Raptor 2 is groundbreaking. And there's 30+ of them between both stages. It's just incredible, and there's nothing like it that's been done. I may be wrong, but isn't the reason there are so many engines on their rockets is because SpaceX isn't good at building big rocket engines?

Yes, but it's not just SpaceX; nobody is good at building big rocket engines.

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If you're ever in the Houston area, I highly recommend going to see NASA Johnson Space Center. They have a full-size replica (?) Saturn V rocket on its side, you can see. You simply can't grasp how big these rockets are until you see it up close. It's like a tall building blasting off into space. They're humongous. I hope to one day see Starship up close in person as it takes off to space.

I found it depressing. Ships aren't built to stay in the harbor, and rockets aren't built to lie on their side rusting. They say we couldn't build another Saturn V if we tried. Apparently that old saw is true enough, at least for the original contractors.

Nah, it's historic. We have better stuff now. It's like a Model T. The best place for it is in the museum.

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post #15

If you're ever in the Houston area, I highly recommend going to see NASA Johnson Space Center. They have a full-size replica (?) Saturn V rocket on its side, you can see. You simply can't grasp how big these rockets are until you see it up close. It's like a tall building blasting off into space. They're humongous. I hope to one day see Starship up close in person as it takes off to space.

In Huntsville AL they have one stood up outside a museum right off the highway - it’s insane to see

Good view of it at https://goo.gl/maps/ikR6xaxmTkmoqTSt8

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> Mr Musk’s development philosophy is that “if things are not failing, you aren’t innovating enough.”

My boss used to keep saying "move fast and break things!" Then a new guy seriously messed up and almost lost us a valuable client. The boss demanded an explanation. I said the new guy moved fast and broke things.

He actually wrote that in the explanation to the client. I haven't heard that phrase from him since.

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https://archive.is/1IIml

BTW, if you like the Energia rocket and heavy metal, you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWfqOSdzs4.

This quote (from the article) is astounding:

> [SpaceX] has pulled off 111 Falcon 9 launches in a row without failure

Re: SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it depressing. Ships aren't built to stay in the harbor, and rockets aren't built to lie on their side rusting. They say we couldn't build another Saturn V if we tried. Apparently that old saw is true enough, at least for the original contractors.

For lack of a political will or the technical know how?

1. Lost records

2. Many companies that help build those rockets have ceased to exists

3. Technology and tooling have changed substantially

4. Standards to deem a rocket flight worthy for human space flight have changed

Re: SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For lack of a political will or the technical know how?

The popular wisdom is that we literally lost some of the technical specs and drawings. A lot of the R&D would have to be redone from scratch... not that it wouldn't make sense to do that anyway, 50+ years later.

Not exactly related, but this reminds me of this triple nuclear plant project that ran into trouble by the time they're on their third, because it took so long, people with the requisite knowledge was gone and the remaining people had no idea how to fill the gap.

Re: SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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The thing that's impressive to me, in addition to the sheer size of these machines, is the engines . The Raptor 2 is groundbreaking. And there's 30+ of them between both stages. It's just incredible, and there's nothing like it that's been done.

> The thing that's impressive to me, in addition to the sheer size of these machines, is the engines. The Raptor 2 is groundbreaking. And there's 30+ of them between both stages. It's just incredible, and there's nothing like it that's been done. I may be wrong, but isn't the reason there are so many engines on their rockets is because SpaceX isn't good at building big rocket engines?

There is an upper limit to scaling. Bigger engines do not mean more power / weight. Bigger is also harder to build and maintain. SpaceX is finding the sweet spot.
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