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Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by Apocryphon »

FalconSensei wrote: post #239
Apocryphon wrote: post #208

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Simply, if you enable sideloading/downloading from non App Store, you make it very visible in the UX that you are essentially in a "non-safe mode" (the actual security status probably varies, but Apple would probably go out of its way to hype up the potential of danger here), and you consent to all sorts of disclaimers disavowing Apple's responsibility here, and recommending they make backups before doing so. In fact…

> If users complain after sideloading was enabled, the Geniuses can simply tap on the sign. Denying service to a lot of users still means having to talk to them. And will leave users upset. > you make it very visible in the UX that you are essentially in a "non-safe mode" (the actual security status probably varies, but Apple would probably go out of its way to hype up the potential of danger here), and you consent t…

I seriously believe only a minority of users will switch to sideloading, thus minimizing the amount of lost revenue (if anything, maybe this might even lead to some switching over from Android if it's now possible to get F-Droid and other Android-only equivalents). This also allows them to sidestep the many, many legal and governmental challenges that are now mounting over their use of the App Store. Saves them both time and money to open things up on their own terms first.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by coldtea »

andjd wrote: post #74
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #18

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If I were Apple, the clones should not be on the App Store and Apple appears to be removing them. However, I don't really know if the OP's original submission should be approved either. Yes, it uses a different language, but the name is very similar, it's being released around the same time as a trend, it looks like a clone.

How does it benefit the Swedish consumer to ban a game that uses their native language because it's a clone of a game in English?

By also banning Swedish I.P. apps when somebody makes a foreign clone of them.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by vinceguidry »

bastardoperator wrote: post #227
vinceguidry wrote: post #188

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You're making my point for me. 2013 MacBooks were great. New ones, not so much. IIRC, 2013 was around the high water mark for MacBook quality.

Yeah, the M1 chip is blowing your argument out of the water. The performance and battery life are nothing short of impressive. Find me another OEM that isn't just cobbling parts together and selling it to you in a plastic shell versus actually designing an SoC/CPU.

It's a new processor. Great. What about the rest of the machine?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

coldtea wrote: post #242
andjd wrote: post #74

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How does it benefit the Swedish consumer to ban a game that uses their native language because it's a clone of a game in English?

By also banning Swedish I.P. apps when somebody makes a foreign clone of them.

And stealing bread is illegal for rich and poor alike!

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by bastardoperator »

vinceguidry wrote: post #243
bastardoperator wrote: post #227

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Yeah, the M1 chip is blowing your argument out of the water. The performance and battery life are nothing short of impressive. Find me another OEM that isn't just cobbling parts together and selling it to you in a plastic shell versus actually designing an SoC/CPU.

It's a new processor. Great. What about the rest of the machine?

It's an SoC so it's definitely not just a processor. If you can't appreciate the engineering there isn't much I can say. What parts of the machine bother you the most when compared to other laptops?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by curt15 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #237
jonatanheyman wrote: post #189

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As the writer of the post, I would love to hear Apple's side of the story. The reason I didn't include more quotes from Apple was that they never cited anything other than "resembles Wordle" and "leverages Wordle" in their replies. But clearly, given that they don't apply these rules when it comes to other apps (such as Scrabble, Minesweeper, Tetris, etc.), there is something else going on.

With respect, you don't know that they aren't attempting to take action on those other apps. Wordle may be a recent copyright issue since NYT has purchased the original. It seems like their rules do apply to these other apps but they just haven't gotten the attention that Wordle has so there's less bias towards those.

WHat does "attempting to take action on those other apps" mean? Apple still lists them on the app store for download.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by raydev »

dkonofalski wrote: post #125
dcow wrote: post #122

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I think the developer made a very clear case as to why they do not have a simple copycat experience. Please read the essay.

The developer's post assumes that those other clones won't be removed. It also assumes that every review process is exactly the same. We only know one side of the story here and it's full of assumptions and conjecture.

A healthy and well-founded assumption given their track record of mishandling copycats in other app categories that are far more scammy and actively steal people's money.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by raydev »

dkonofalski wrote: post #222
blakesterz wrote: post #8

I don't exactly agree with many of the points made in that post, BUT, I think this was the paragraph that made the best point: "But even if you disagree with me, and you think that Apple should be allowed to be the only gatekeeper to 60% of people’s mobile devices. Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently? In this case that would mean either allowing Wörd on the store, or purging all ap…

>Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently? For all we know, Apple believes this too and is attempting to make this reality. It's not as simple to do when there are probably hundreds of these clones flooding the store and the review process within the span of a few days.

> For all we know, Apple believes this too and is attempting to make this reality

It doesn't matter what Apple plans, it's been more than a decade. They've made reviews faster and rejections more arbitrary. Resubmissions with 0 changes can lead to approvals. Useful apps are rejected because they don't meet a particular reviewer's standards on a particular day of the week. It's only become more inconsistent.

> It's not as simple to do when there are probably hundreds of these clones flooding the store and the review process within the span of a few days.

That's kinda the point. It's impossible to actually "curate" a store with millions of offerings. Apple should walk the walk and not just talk, and reduce the App Store to a few hundred apps that could conceivably be thoroughly reviewed by trained humans, or be honest and accept that their rules will always be inconsistently applied at current scale.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

raydev wrote: post #248
dkonofalski wrote: post #222

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>Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently? For all we know, Apple believes this too and is attempting to make this reality. It's not as simple to do when there are probably hundreds of these clones flooding the store and the review process within the span of a few days.

> For all we know, Apple believes this too and is attempting to make this reality It doesn't matter what Apple plans, it's been more than a decade. They've made reviews faster and rejections more arbitrary. Resubmissions with 0 changes can lead to approvals. Useful apps are rejected because they don't meet a particular reviewer's standards on a particular day of the week. It's only become more inconsistent. > It's no…

>be honest and accept that their rules will always be inconsistently applied at current scale

Isn't that currently what's happening?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by Semaphor »

wutwut5521 wrote: post #75
Semaphor wrote: post #32

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Considering that you replied to this specific article, are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store, but not those providing actually different features? Or did you just want to do an "angry soap box lecture" without much relevance to the article? edit: Just to clarify, this was not an article about Apple having rules, strict rules, or even content curation. This was an article abou…

> are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store The article is about rejecting a clone game app, the author is just complaining that this rule is enforced without 100% consistency. If I had to guess Apple hit some sort of clone limit on this concept and started cracking down on new submissions. So author missed the bus. > and not caring about quality in the slightest Dunno where this…

> Dunno where this claim comes from, but the author literally spent 1 day on their app lol.

So you did not read the article. Got it.

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