ha. this is smart by fb. if they follow the yahoo model, access to that data is sold to the agencies that want it. they don't get access for free. so fb has an interest in having a nice store of data on offer. it's a nice business unit on its own in addition to their ad selling pursuits.
How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
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Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like most legal matter it's a bit more complex than that. As far as I know, you can be targeted by foreign laws with a .com domain, and servers physically in the US. If you specifically target/advertize (e.g. with translated interfaces) your services to EU citizens, a judge might decide that EU laws apply to you.
Is this just your opinion or do you have some examples to back it up? I don't see why a US judge would care at all if a US company breaks laws of another country.
Check "conflict of laws" and "conflict of jurisdiction". I don't know the US legal system well enough to find it, but it happens in European countries (e.g. french judge applying US laws), so I guess it would be similar.
Moreover a US judge might not care, but a French or German judge might decide he is competent (if there are good reasons to think the website is not US only).
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I highly doubt Facebook went with the delete flag because of the customer service perspective.
I think that it is probably one of the major reasons, though certainly not the only one. In my experience, one of the most common customer service complaints/requests is "Oh no, I did this irreversible thing you warned me not to, fix it." I imagine facebook also gets its fair share of complaints like "Oh no, my ex-boyfriend deleted my account, fix it." This stuff is really common, and I can understand why a company w…
Do they even offer customer service of that sort?
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that it is probably one of the major reasons, though certainly not the only one. In my experience, one of the most common customer service complaints/requests is "Oh no, I did this irreversible thing you warned me not to, fix it." I imagine facebook also gets its fair share of complaints like "Oh no, my ex-boyfriend deleted my account, fix it." This stuff is really common, and I can understand why a company w…
Do they even offer customer service of that sort?
I don't know what it's like now, but back in 2007-2008, customer support was the biggest department in Facebook by headcount.
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, probably not. Usually you only have to abide by a countries laws if your server are based there, or you have a company incorporated there. If you have a US company with servers hosted in the US, acbd an EU citizen uses it, and claims you are breaking their laws, then there its nothing the courts in that country can do to make you abide them. To put it another way, are you worried if your US company breaks Chinese…
Unless it is a US law. You better believe that those apply globally. They can and will shut you down and/or throw you in prison.
They would have to come and get you.
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, probably not. Usually you only have to abide by a countries laws if your server are based there, or you have a company incorporated there. If you have a US company with servers hosted in the US, acbd an EU citizen uses it, and claims you are breaking their laws, then there its nothing the courts in that country can do to make you abide them. To put it another way, are you worried if your US company breaks Chinese…
Does this apply to patents as well?
Not sure. Almost all countries respect each others copyrights, that's why if a work is copyrighted in the UK, then it is copyrighted in Brasil (that's the Geneve Convention I think). I'm not sure about patents, especially when it comes to things like software patents. Ask your lawyer.
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, probably not. Usually you only have to abide by a countries laws if your server are based there, or you have a company incorporated there. If you have a US company with servers hosted in the US, acbd an EU citizen uses it, and claims you are breaking their laws, then there its nothing the courts in that country can do to make you abide them. To put it another way, are you worried if your US company breaks Chinese…
Like most legal matter it's a bit more complex than that. As far as I know, you can be targeted by foreign laws with a .com domain, and servers physically in the US. If you specifically target/advertize (e.g. with translated interfaces) your services to EU citizens, a judge might decide that EU laws apply to you.
Yes things like .com's would complicate matters. I'd guess the only thing they could do would be confiscate your .com. Worse case is they might try to extradide you. Of course if you were to set up shop in the USA later, your past would catch up to you.
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#98Unbelievable: http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html They delete sh*t, if you delete your posts they don't remove them from their databases. This makes me really angry, there is a reason why i delete this stuff. I can't believe this, they have a responsibility. Edit: WTF http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html#Mac... This is maybe the most frightening: http://europe-v-facebook.org/E…
There are also some technical problems with deletion. For example: What to do if the post has subposts from other user? What happens is someone steals your account and erases all your posts? And, when you click on the delete, should they erase the information: * From the cache * From the database (not only mark it for deletion) * From the weekly/monthly/yearly backup * From the old backup system that is not longer in…
What to do if the post has subposts from other user?
My solution: mark the record with a 'deleted' flag, leave all the logical/structural data (user id, post id, etc.) untouched, overwrite/wipe out the post's content, on the webpage display "Post deleted" message. If you want to have an ability to 'unerase' things: mark as deleted, delay the purge.
Cache should be purged as well, though not necessarily in real-time. Backups issue is a complicated one - but is there any use of yearly backups in Facebook case?
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#99why they keep those data in their data base. If i deleted a content, i meant it to be deleted forever.
and knowing the fact "Note: According to facebook’s privacy policy, messages on facebook can not be deleted anymore. If you click on ‘delete’ the messages will only be invisible to you. US law enforcement agencies can access this information at there own liking, without judicial review."
by @nextparadigms I'm thinking of quitting facebook
Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this just your opinion or do you have some examples to back it up? I don't see why a US judge would care at all if a US company breaks laws of another country.
Check "conflict of laws" and "conflict of jurisdiction". I don't know the US legal system well enough to find it, but it happens in European countries (e.g. french judge applying US laws), so I guess it would be similar. Moreover a US judge might not care, but a French or German judge might decide he is competent (if there are good reasons to think the website is not US only).
If a french or german court decides that a foreign company is violating their laws, they can do little besides preventing them from reaching their market, which would in this case mean that they can order ISPs to block the site. I'm pretty sure that there is no way that they can actually make a foreign-based company abide by their laws. How would they enforce the ruling?
Of course, if the company in question also owns a EU-based daughter company through which it operates on EU market (as Facebook apparently does), then that's a whole different ballgame.