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Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

Apocryphon wrote: post #130
dkonofalski wrote: post #125

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The developer's post assumes that those other clones won't be removed. It also assumes that every review process is exactly the same. We only know one side of the story here and it's full of assumptions and conjecture.

That highlights another problem with the process- the complete lack of transparency. Apple could be more forthcoming about the review process, yet they aren’t.

Do they need to be? They told the developer why it wasn't allowed - it violates the Copycat clause of the ToS. At that point, the developer is just attempting to make minimal changes to differentiate it enough to bypass that restriction and then resubmitting over and over.

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this isn't a Wordle copycat. Even the author knows it.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

blakesterz wrote: post #8

I don't exactly agree with many of the points made in that post, BUT, I think this was the paragraph that made the best point: "But even if you disagree with me, and you think that Apple should be allowed to be the only gatekeeper to 60% of people’s mobile devices. Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently? In this case that would mean either allowing Wörd on the store, or purging all ap…

>Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently?

For all we know, Apple believes this too and is attempting to make this reality. It's not as simple to do when there are probably hundreds of these clones flooding the store and the review process within the span of a few days.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by Apocryphon »

dkonofalski wrote: post #221
Apocryphon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That highlights another problem with the process- the complete lack of transparency. Apple could be more forthcoming about the review process, yet they aren’t.

Do they need to be? They told the developer why it wasn't allowed - it violates the Copycat clause of the ToS. At that point, the developer is just attempting to make minimal changes to differentiate it enough to bypass that restriction and then resubmitting over and over. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this isn't a Wordle copycat. Even the author knows it.

It doesn't allow the developer any actionable feedback. They could have included screenshots highlighting the exact ways this app is a copycat. What if the developer changed the UX differently- would it then no longer be a copycat? It also downplays the which the app isn't a copycat, namely that it uses a different language. As it stands, just calling something a copycat is not substantiative, you actually need to provide justification. See Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by bastardoperator »

Steltek wrote: post #162
pmarreck wrote: post #93

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Alright, I have to respond to this. > Instead of offering developers a real userland, you get forced onto zsh because Apple would rather die than ship GPL later than v2. export BASH_SILENCE_DEPRECATION_WARNING=1 brew install bash # if homebrew is installed chsh `which bash` # if homebrew is configured correctly Done. I've been running without zsh just fine. oh-my-bash even exists! https://github.com/ohmybash/oh-my-ba…

Homebrew is not Apple so you're just reinforcing OP's point: you need to go to a 3rd party to get a CLI that's worth a damn. Nor is Homebrew supported by Apple which is totally outrageous, given that without it, you might as well buy an iPad for how useful MacOS is.

And yum, dnf, dpkg, apt, pacman, emerge, zypper are not Linux. Like brew they repackage software. Let's also not pretend that in the world of Linux I haven't had to add a 3rd party repo to get something working or look to community repos or even enable testing/unstable branches assuming I can get what I want working to work.

There are trade offs everywhere. Considering it takes an entire second to add brew to a machine, it's not a big deal or what I would hang my argument on. I've spent much more time messing with packages in Linux versus troubleshooting brew. I disagree it reinforces anything. I'm using a lot of rust tools on my CLI today and they're all available via brew, on Linux not always because the developer isn't targeting all of the different Linux package managers.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

Apocryphon wrote: post #223
dkonofalski wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they need to be? They told the developer why it wasn't allowed - it violates the Copycat clause of the ToS. At that point, the developer is just attempting to make minimal changes to differentiate it enough to bypass that restriction and then resubmitting over and over. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this isn't a Wordle copycat. Even the author knows it.

It doesn't allow the developer any actionable feedback. They could have included screenshots highlighting the exact ways this app is a copycat. What if the developer changed the UX differently- would it then no longer be a copycat? It also downplays the which the app isn't a copycat, namely that it uses a different language. As it stands, just calling something a copycat is not substantiative, you actually need to pr…

What actionable feedback could there be? The author is copying Wordle. The very nature of the project is to copy a copyrighted application/website.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by aaomidi »

scarface74 wrote: post #92
aaomidi wrote: post #55

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I on the other hand really am excited. Apple devices turn into expensive ewaste when a country gets sanctioned by the US. There are millions of apple phones in Iran, that can't do anything other than browse the web. There are millions of talented developers in the world that have to avoid iOS because of the $100 fee. Anyway I'm really really really excited for being able to use a general computer as a general compute…

So it’s the $100 a year fee that stops “talented developers” who would also have to have a phone that costs at least $400 and a computer that costs at least $700?

That $100 fee might be literally impossible for people to pay. Iran has a population of ~85 million - you can do the math!

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by bastardoperator »

vinceguidry wrote: post #188
MockObject wrote: post #143

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My main computer is a MacBook from 2013. The battery is a bit flaky now, so I keep it plugged in, but that's some pretty heroic performance.

You're making my point for me. 2013 MacBooks were great. New ones, not so much. IIRC, 2013 was around the high water mark for MacBook quality.

Yeah, the M1 chip is blowing your argument out of the water. The performance and battery life are nothing short of impressive. Find me another OEM that isn't just cobbling parts together and selling it to you in a plastic shell versus actually designing an SoC/CPU.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by Humdeee »

dcow wrote: post #186
Humdeee wrote: post #180

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I’m just calling it as it is and doing my part to keep this platform free of low effort dime a dozen Apple fanboy bandwagon content. That, at least, you should understand (; You’ve been clearly downvoted and are digging your heels in ignoring facts presented in the article to make some selfish point about how you and Apple have a shared vision about the high road for the app store and everyone agrees so fuck you op.…

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Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by Apocryphon »

dkonofalski wrote: post #225
Apocryphon wrote: post #223

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It doesn't allow the developer any actionable feedback. They could have included screenshots highlighting the exact ways this app is a copycat. What if the developer changed the UX differently- would it then no longer be a copycat? It also downplays the which the app isn't a copycat, namely that it uses a different language. As it stands, just calling something a copycat is not substantiative, you actually need to pr…

What actionable feedback could there be? The author is copying Wordle. The very nature of the project is to copy a copyrighted application/website.

Is the inherent game mechanic being the same the problem, or could that be alleviated if the screens looked more distinct? And it is in a different language, after all.

Are Wordle's mechanics even copyrighted?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by bastardoperator »

vinceguidry wrote: post #220
bastardoperator wrote: post #216

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I absolutely do. I want some parity with Linux so I also install gnu coreutils via brew and alias with bashrc. which bash /usr/local/bin/bash which ls /usr/local/opt/coreutils/libexec/gnubin/ls

Or, hear me out here, maybe just run Linux. Your life can be very simple and easy without having your system subjected to Apple's caprice. Imagine it, a system that you, and only you, control.

I run both, on top of FreeBSD and Windows. Being an OS zealot isn't what pays my bills.
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