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Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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The alternative is non-Apple phones.

Not an alternative if you want the Apple ecosystem.

But it sounds likely people in this case do not want the apple ecosystem. If you want the apple ecosystem, you want the app store.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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I'm not really excited about the prospect of alternate App Store or sideloading. The thing that irritates me about the whole thing however is I feel like we wouldn't be in this position with imminent regulation incoming if Apple executives had not been so stubborn and greedy with App Store policies and completely deaf to developer and user feedback. With some give and take we could have made it work with the App Stor…

I on the other hand really am excited. Apple devices turn into expensive ewaste when a country gets sanctioned by the US. There are millions of apple phones in Iran, that can't do anything other than browse the web. There are millions of talented developers in the world that have to avoid iOS because of the $100 fee. Anyway I'm really really really excited for being able to use a general computer as a general compute…

So it’s the $100 a year fee that stops “talented developers” who would also have to have a phone that costs at least $400 and a computer that costs at least $700?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

If you think Apple is doing this because they care about you, gentle user, then you will get burned, eventually, probably really badly, and you won't even have any kind of inkling as to why or how you could have avoided it. Behind the cutesy facade is a rapacious, consumer-hostile monster. The facade is paper-thin, and it's only a matter of time until you rub it the wrong way and it flakes off, then the monster will…

Alright, I have to respond to this.

> Instead of offering developers a real userland, you get forced onto zsh because Apple would rather die than ship GPL later than v2.

    export BASH_SILENCE_DEPRECATION_WARNING=1
    brew install bash # if homebrew is installed
    chsh `which bash` # if homebrew is configured correctly
Done. I've been running without zsh just fine. oh-my-bash even exists! https://github.com/ohmybash/oh-my-bash

> Don't get it twisted, Apple hates you, and loves only money. It's only a matter of time until each and every Apple user is taught that.

No. Quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Even a better time to escape the walled garden and develop for mobile Linux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364337

What would this look like practically? Say I want to port an iOS app to mobile linux? I know it's early days but what does the toolchain and distribution look like?

Perhaps this page has an answer for you: https://linmobapps.frama.io/.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

This sentiment comes up every time people complain about the App Store. If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_. > What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The failure of people to put themselves in other people's shoes is mind-boggling sometimes. There's a reason why so many people are…

Or maybe we already have put ourselves in their shoes and realize that they have other options that fulfill their qualms regarding Apple?

>If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_.

And if you don't want to use Apple's App Store, don't. Nothing will change for _you_ when they do something.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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What would this look like practically? Say I want to port an iOS app to mobile linux? I know it's early days but what does the toolchain and distribution look like?

Perhaps this page has an answer for you: https://linmobapps.frama.io/ .

Thanks

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

If you think Apple is doing this because they care about you, gentle user, then you will get burned, eventually, probably really badly, and you won't even have any kind of inkling as to why or how you could have avoided it. Behind the cutesy facade is a rapacious, consumer-hostile monster. The facade is paper-thin, and it's only a matter of time until you rub it the wrong way and it flakes off, then the monster will…

Nowhere in OP's comment did they imply that Apple provides the App Store out of the goodness of their hearts. Obviously they do it to make money, like every other corporation. They have clearly sat down and said "We think building this 'walled garden' will make us more money." No debate there. Why does it make them money? It makes them money because a lot of end users are like OP, prefer the 'walled garden,' and are willing to spend their money there. You can argue that they are wrong to like it, but that kind of argument tends to go nowhere on the Internet.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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I'm with Apple here. Despite not really affecting me, I would also classify it as another copycat app. It'll exist to increase the scroll bar and reside somewhere in the bottom half of the search queue and sit there relatively unused. These apps bloat the AppStore. I think the few features that differ slightly are likely overemphasized here, and Apple also seems to think so.

What I do agree with is the amount of copycats they let through. If you don't have the history of being rejected and resubmit as a new app, I believe you may have a higher chance to reach your elusive 'Ready for Sale' status. But please, this is simply reinventing the wheel with a very slightly different tread, despite the work put in.

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