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Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by gameswithgo »

ectospheno wrote: post #13

I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

I hate the apple App Store, if you want my money, don't be on the Apple App Store.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by jamil7 »

aaomidi wrote: post #55
jamil7 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really excited about the prospect of alternate App Store or sideloading. The thing that irritates me about the whole thing however is I feel like we wouldn't be in this position with imminent regulation incoming if Apple executives had not been so stubborn and greedy with App Store policies and completely deaf to developer and user feedback. With some give and take we could have made it work with the App Stor…

I on the other hand really am excited. Apple devices turn into expensive ewaste when a country gets sanctioned by the US. There are millions of apple phones in Iran, that can't do anything other than browse the web. There are millions of talented developers in the world that have to avoid iOS because of the $100 fee. Anyway I'm really really really excited for being able to use a general computer as a general compute…

Well I'm not strongly against it either as I recognise other people need/want this feature, just personally as an iOS user and developer I'd rather not deal with it.

All your points are valid though and perhaps some real competition will force Apple's hand with regard to improving the App Store, their policies and treatment of third-party developers.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by RC_ITR »

ectospheno wrote: post #13

I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

The hidden argument in this “30% is anti-competitive” thing is that it has never been easier for me, as a consumer, to cancel a subscription than to go through Apple to do it.

All my subs on one screen with a single click to cancel at any time, without forgoing my pre-paid time.

I wish everything were like that.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by simion314 »

ectospheno wrote: post #13

I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

>I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this.

Because this is impossible, so how the fck would you judge the grapes you can't taste.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by jamil7 »

fsflover wrote: post #29
seafoam wrote: post #15

Not a bad time to start building an App Store for iOS apps. Related : https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/28/us-states-back-fortnite... https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/11/ios-sideloading-questio...

Even a better time to escape the walled garden and develop for mobile Linux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364337

What would this look like practically? Say I want to port an iOS app to mobile linux? I know it's early days but what does the toolchain and distribution look like?

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by emsy »

ectospheno wrote: post #13

I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make thei…

>angry soap box lectures

Have you ever considered that you are the one that’s wrong and emotional about it? No one wants to take the App Store away. In fact, I can think of many things the App Store could do to improve my experience. Maybe some competition would be the necessary motivation.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by ben_w »

gameswithgo wrote: post #62

Developers and consumers really need to rise up against walled gardens in computing. Sadly we have a whole generation of young people who don't even know what they are missing.

Even inside a mobile browser’s sandbox, JavaScript gives me way more for free today than Metrowerks CodeWarrior Learning Edition gave me for ten weeks of pocket money back in the late 90s.

I’m not a fan of Apple’s puritanism, but I really don’t think people are missing out in the way you do.

Re: Avoid the Apple App Store

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Post by viktorcode »

blakesterz wrote: post #8

I don't exactly agree with many of the points made in that post, BUT, I think this was the paragraph that made the best point: "But even if you disagree with me, and you think that Apple should be allowed to be the only gatekeeper to 60% of people’s mobile devices. Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently? In this case that would mean either allowing Wörd on the store, or purging all ap…

That point is a good example of casual logical fallacy. Make a statement which is true or universally acceptable ("Surely you still agree that Apple should apply their rules consistently?") and then add incorrect conclusions:

> In this case that would mean either allowing Wörd on the store, or purging all apps that resemble other apps from App Store. Starting with their own Apple Music and Translate apps

Here's the equivalence of copycat status of Wörd and of Music / Translate is implied, which is very questionable indeed.

Also, "you think that Apple should be allowed to be the only gatekeeper to 60% of people’s mobile devices" hides other logical fallacies. First, it is implied by the wording that Apple somehow became the gatekeeper of 60% of devices, whereas customers chose to buy the devices where Apple is gatekeeper, and at least some of them did it because of the fact. Second, the number 60% does not correspond to market reality. Apple is the gatekeeper of all their devices, in all countries, and worldwide share is obviously lower.

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