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Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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can you explain what is ME/CFS and how you recovered ?

I'd like to second this question, I'm very interested in any recovery story of CFS.

There’s a very good subreddit where people share news and their experiences. There also seems to be some overlap between CFS and long covid, Dr. Resia Pretorius has published a lot of work on micro clots in the blood and long covid.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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can you explain what is ME/CFS and how you recovered ?

I'd like to second this question, I'm very interested in any recovery story of CFS.

See my prev comment. Happy to share more by email.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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Military special forces or playing a team sport at a high-level? Those folks are SMART

Probably not viable choices for us skinny nerds :)

The think about getting muscular is that it's I thing you can just decide to do.

Decide + gruelling work.

But it is a choice (to be candid, one I haven't executed on yet)

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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Entirely anecdotal, but a lot of professional endurance sports athletes / ultra distance athletes are also high performing PhD candidates/professors/academics. It's kind of weird - if you watch the documentary about the Barkley Marathons, the winners are usually some kind of math/engineering PhD candidate. Another anecdote - As a kid I was "hyperactive" and struggled a lot in school until my freshman year. Coincident…

Purely anecdotal again. I had absolutely no concentration to write code about 5 years back. I treaded mostly a solutions engineer path since it was the most comfortable option. Somehow stumbled into running and my career path changed. Now I wouldn't say I am a genius programmer but I am certainly much better at design and coding. Running and lifting weights, surprisingly have resulted in me aspiring for coding tasks that take me to mental exhaustion. Some of the best days I've had are when I am mentally exhausted trying to figure out a solution and just fall asleep at my desk.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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I'd like to second this question, I'm very interested in any recovery story of CFS.

There are hundreds of accounts of people who have had substantial recovery (thought probably not full) from ME/CFS. The problem is that what works for one person doesn't work at all for 99% of other sufferers. Some people say injections of B12 fixed them up; others move to the desert and get away from environmental issues (and perhaps stress); others benefit from a very gradual incline of exercise; a few have had spi…

There is also an interesting book about a recovery in the dessert “through the shadowlands” by Julie Rehmeyer. Just not practicable for everyone, especially when the dessert is far away like in Central Europe.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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Super sets of 80+ reps is definitely cardio, especially on legs day.

What's your heart rate after the first 20 or so? If it's beyond 70% max heart rate, you are likely going anaerobic, muscles and heart start switch from fat to glycogen to ATP as the demand increases. It's like a runner doing "speed work" on a track. First 800 relatively "easy". By the eight repeat, not so much.

I need a new heartrate monitor. I typically do about 100 reps for a given muscle group, and I think it would be good to see how my heart rate responds.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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When the article talks about "mental exhaustion", it is talking about short-term mental fatigue from the likes of working too long on a mental task. It is not talking about chronic fatigue or burnout due to chronic stress, or ME/CFS, for which exercise may cause worsening of symptoms. In that case stress reduction is likely the better solution, and exercise managed so you are not doing too little or too much. Making…

I don’t have ME/CFS but am often stressed, had to quit my last job due to burnout. I don’t agree to avoid exercise for burnout. While in stress I found mild exercise useful to clear the mind and improve sleep. For mild ME/CFS patients it’s also sometimes possible to exercise, there are a lot resources about this topic here: https://workwellfoundation.org/

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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What's your heart rate after the first 20 or so? If it's beyond 70% max heart rate, you are likely going anaerobic, muscles and heart start switch from fat to glycogen to ATP as the demand increases. It's like a runner doing "speed work" on a track. First 800 relatively "easy". By the eight repeat, not so much.

I need a new heartrate monitor. I typically do about 100 reps for a given muscle group, and I think it would be good to see how my heart rate responds.

This is going to seem like an odd recommendation if you are a casual athlete but to save you time/money/satisfaction I strongly recommend a HRM strap instead of wrist optical and even more so if you can justify it, one that has self-storage and can download afterwards. Turns out monitoring via bluetooth and ANT+ has dropout at high heartrates.

I think the Wahoo ticker-x is the only one that meets all those requirements and I think it can work without a watch too. I have the garmin hrm-pro which can save/download but it needs the watch to be connected to start working which is bad design. Check DCrainmaker website for latest reviews.

Re: Acute aerobic exercise to recover from mental exhaustion

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Hmmm. Two issues stand out for me.

1. If I'm understanding this correctly, it seems like the active control (stretching) performed worse than the so-called passive control (watching a "popular sitcom"). The Cohen's d for the active control ranged from 0.214 to 0.737, and 0.102 - 0.286 for the passive control. So watching a "popular sitcom" is closer to aerobic activity in its effect on recovery?

2. The abstract says the passive control was watching a "popular sitcom", this is weird. Does this mean the researchers picked a show for the subjects to watch? That doesn't make any sense, if I had to watch a show I didn't select that would be annoying and possibly interfere with recovery. But maybe the researchers didn't

A Cohen's d of 0.2 is considered small and the values for the passive controls top out at 0.286, and apparently there's even a negative relationship with restlessness.

My bet is that if someone tried to do a similar study but instead of picking a sitcom for the subject they allowed the subjects to simply watching whatever TV they would like to watch at the moment, the effect size would disappear.

I am assuming I'm just missing something here, but from my fairly basic, non-expert understanding, it's not possible to draw the conclusions that the authors drew. Furthermore, the design seemed flawed from the beginning (although kudos for providing an active control). The main issue seems to be that their passive control wasn't really passive, it was making subject watch a show that they might not normally watch for relaxation purposes.

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