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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by zozbot234 »

hughrr wrote: post #73
fsflover wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, GNU/Linux phones can run desktop applications scaled down in such a way that they stay usable. See examples here: https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co... .

Yeh that worked out really well for the last two platforms who tried it… Microsoft produced apps that no one used because they were horrible on all devices. Apple conceded defeat and we have different interfaces on each device class.

The recent "scaling down" of Linux Gtk+ apps also encompasses "diferent interfaces". Look at some of the convergence examples, and you'll see all sorts of widgets merge, move around and disappear behind "alternate" views as window sizes shrink, then come back as the windows enlarge again. It's a fully responsive interface that merges both styles of interaction seamlessly.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by BakeInBeens »

getcrunk wrote: post #8

One of the biggest drawbacks to me about Linux is the aesthetic quality. This gives me alot of hope. As the author said this might really well be a turning point.

Although it takes a lot of configuration work ricing my desktop is how I got into Linux and I've always found that the aesthetic improvements seen in popular OSs to be similar to the popular aesthetics trends in the Linux community (although they obviously take a lot from other OSs too)

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by bobthecowboy »

vondur wrote: post #48
jteppinette wrote: post #22

> An example is Flathub, where new applications using the most modern toolkits and UX strategy appear every day, providing "just works" alternatives to complex older FOSS software I go to Flathub. Click the first app I see.

What app was it?

Not OP, but I went to go look and found the Minecraft one (which was one of the six apps above the fold in "Popular") leads to that:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/io.mrarm.mcpelauncher

``` App Not Found

No app with the ID io.mrarm.mcpelauncher was found on Flathub. Try searching for the app using the search bar above. ```

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by [deleted] »

golergka wrote: post #43

Strange that electron isn't mentioned here. I develop a desktop application that targets macos, windows and linux, so it is a full-fledged linux app — but without such an effective cross-platform toolkit I don't think we would have resources to support Linux at all.

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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by jcelerier »

golergka wrote: post #43

Strange that electron isn't mentioned here. I develop a desktop application that targets macos, windows and linux, so it is a full-fledged linux app — but without such an effective cross-platform toolkit I don't think we would have resources to support Linux at all.

I am almost alone and I develop https://ossia.io for Mac/Win/Linux in C++ with Qt without issues.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by saturn_vk »

hughrr wrote: post #60
zozbot234 wrote: post #38

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> I still dislike the gnome3 title bar with the icons. It's a key part of touch readiness. There's even a Windows-like theme for Gtk3+ that looks really close to the original, you might like it better than the default look.

Why do we have to suffer it on the desktop though? It’s so damn hard moving windows on gnome without setting something off accidentally. Especially with the shitty touchpad input devices. My mac laptops aren’t touch screens and they get this usable. The whole gnome desktop makes me want to stick forks in my eyes.

I think you can drag almost anything on the header bar without activating it

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by vore »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #31
fsflover wrote: post #27

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> Also looking forward to what KDE can accomplish in this space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DLQWv8P5Hw

It's cool they have this (mostly) working on mobile, but those gestures are pretty clearly all copied from Android and not a result of KDE Desktop's design decisions.

With UX, copying others should be the default: don't make users learn a completely new set of behaviors that aren't the ones they've been using every day.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by guelo »

stickfigure wrote: post #81
kitsunesoba wrote: post #16

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The “don’t theme my app” thing just tells me that GNOME/GTK+/Adwaita aren’t built in a way that gracefully handles theming, or that devs building apps with them are doing things like hard coding colors when they should be using dynamic system colors such as those provided by UIColor[0] in UIKit. [0]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uicolor/ui_e...

Supporting themes imposes an ongoing technical burden across the whole ecosystem. It's not worth it. You don't hear people say "I hate macs because I can't make my title bars purple".

I do say that. The light-grey on top of light-grey theme means a lot of times the only way to tell which is the foreground window is by looking for the 3 colored dots.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by quanticle »

hughrr wrote: post #73
fsflover wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, GNU/Linux phones can run desktop applications scaled down in such a way that they stay usable. See examples here: https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co... .

Yeh that worked out really well for the last two platforms who tried it… Microsoft produced apps that no one used because they were horrible on all devices. Apple conceded defeat and we have different interfaces on each device class.

Apple conceded defeat and we have different interfaces on each device class.

Apple hasn't conceded defeat. Every release of MacOS becomes more and more like iOS. Apple keeps releasing tools, such as Catalyst, to make it easier for iOS developers to get their apps to run on MacOS. Apple is very much pursuing convergence between iOS and MacOS, to the latter's detriment.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by jcelerier »

smoldesu wrote: post #12

History is back around to repeating itself. I'm an avid Linux user (and even a developer who uses GTK pretty regularly), but the recent developments surrounding GNOME, Flatpak and their related libraries has not made me optimistic for the future of Linux applications. GTK4 is really bad. It launched with horrible text rendering issues (still unfixed, 10+ months later), broke compatibility with a number of basic featu…

> The general demeanor of the team has been my-way-or-the-highway, so making suggestions mostly gets you labelled as a troll in their gitlab and sees you forcibly removed if you don't give up and assimilate into their opinion.

Remember:

> I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app unfortunately. I'm sorry that this is the case but it wasn't GNOME's fault that Ubuntu has started this fork. And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.

> It is my hope that you are a GNOME app. Yes this kind of fragmentation is unfortunate. I'm not happy about it either. Anyway, I just wanted to give you a heads up. Wish you the best.

This was a message from a GNOME dev about the transmission torrent client, 11 years ago. I guess they're consistent with themselves over time at least.

The issue about border decorations on Wayland on their gitlab was also bewilderingly infuriating.

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