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How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by Loic »

click170 wrote: post #6
phreeza wrote: post #2

I wonder if anyone has tried to do this with google?

Google already provides a pretty good interface for exporting your data.. http://www.dataliberation.org/ Or, from your Google+ page, click on your picture in the top right corner, then Account Settings, then on the new page click on Data Liberation on the left hand side.

You cannot get all your logins, session time, IP address, etc. This is what you have a right to get out of a EU based company. Yes, this means that as a business, it is pretty hard to comply with the law.

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by sek »

Loic wrote: post #11
click170 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google already provides a pretty good interface for exporting your data.. http://www.dataliberation.org/ Or, from your Google+ page, click on your picture in the top right corner, then Account Settings, then on the new page click on Data Liberation on the left hand side.

You cannot get all your logins, session time, IP address, etc. This is what you have a right to get out of a EU based company. Yes, this means that as a business, it is pretty hard to comply with the law.

When they don't save it there is nothing to get. They have a policy to remove personal data after 3 months or so.

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by sek »

Unbelievable: http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html

They delete sh*t, if you delete your posts they don't remove them from their databases.

This makes me really angry, there is a reason why i delete this stuff. I can't believe this, they have a responsibility.

Edit: WTF http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html#Mac...

This is maybe the most frightening: http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html#Mes...

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by mattmanser »

gilted wrote: post #9

Thanks to the Google employee ring for voting this one up too, I found that the 5 breathless Facebook articles already on the front page weren't sufficiently satisfying my intellectual curiosity. Now you may proceed to transition into downvote mode. I really hope one day pg changes it so that all votes on articles and comments are publicly available, so that we can run our own analysis' using it. It would be interest…

Woah, less of the crazy conspiracy theories.

If you're so out of the loop that you didn't know about f8 and 'frictionless sharing' then read up about those things and viola, you'll realize why these stories are all popping up the rankings.

FB is creepy and keeps getting creepier.

Keep your tinfoil hat on though if you want.

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by gradschool »

techiferous wrote: post #8

So let's say I launch TrackMyEatingHabits.com. If a user that happens to live in the UK signs up, they can send me a request for all of their data and I have to comply, right? So this means that when I design the software for TrackMyEatingHabits.com, I should also be mindful to have a process (and data model) that makes it easy to locate this user data quickly, right? Also, I should have in place processes to verify…

Yes, please do that (limiting your market to the U.S.).

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by buro9 »

gilted wrote: post #9

Thanks to the Google employee ring for voting this one up too, I found that the 5 breathless Facebook articles already on the front page weren't sufficiently satisfying my intellectual curiosity. Now you may proceed to transition into downvote mode. I really hope one day pg changes it so that all votes on articles and comments are publicly available, so that we can run our own analysis' using it. It would be interest…

I voted it up and have nothing to do with Google; not being employed there, never being employed there, and holding no shares.

I also have only a passing curiosity of a desire to work for Google, no more or less than Facebook, Apple, Microsoft or any other large tech company.

However, I find it disconcerting how ALL companies seem to be edging towards creating and storing a mass of data about individuals without disclosing the entire purpose, what is held, or how to access it.

With that in mind, this is a great article/link. The Data Protection laws in Europe are wonderful, and they're there for a good reason (remember that Europe has been host to things like the Stasi).

We value our privacy, and we value our right to know what data companies hold about us.

So please step down from your soap box and ask yourself: Is there a real problem that resonates here? Is there a reason X stories are all on the front page at once?

It's nothing to do with employees waging a PR war or anything as petty... it's because even amongst very technical people there is a lot of concern about the direction things are going in, and Facebook (and sometimes Apple recently, though Google might trump them soon with Google Wallet) seem to be at the very front line of it.

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by kiiski »

ldd- wrote: post #15

I have a dual citizenship . . . U.S./France. While I live in the U.S., I may try this with my French passport.

Facebook TOS says:

"If you are a resident of or have your principal place of business in the US or Canada, this Statement is an agreement between you and Facebook, Inc. Otherwise, this Statement is an agreement between you and Facebook Ireland Limited."

So if you're living in USA it seems like they don't need to comply with your requests.

Re: How to Force Facebook into Handing Over their Secret Tracking Data

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Post by justincormack »

Loic wrote: post #10
techiferous wrote: post #8

So let's say I launch TrackMyEatingHabits.com. If a user that happens to live in the UK signs up, they can send me a request for all of their data and I have to comply, right? So this means that when I design the software for TrackMyEatingHabits.com, I should also be mindful to have a process (and data model) that makes it easy to locate this user data quickly, right? Also, I should have in place processes to verify…

If you are a US company operating a US website, you are not bound to the EU law in that regard. But if you launch trackwhatever.[EU top level domain] to better target these markets, you may need a EU address to get the domain. In that case, you may need to comply with the EU law.

Its not mainly about TLDs, it is about whether you have an EU operating company, like Facebook does, or if you store any personal data in the EU.
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