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Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by zelphirkalt »

fermigier wrote: post #89
zelphirkalt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source doesn't mean, that you can use it however you wish to use it. It means that the source is open. This allows for audits and reading the code, perhaps knowing what the tool / library actually does. What you are allowed to do with it however, is a different matter. If you are looking for something with more ethics and agenda, maybe you are looking for free/libre software.

"It means that the source is open." -> Nope. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition for instance: "Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code."

I stand corrected. The differences do matter though. See for example the restrictions of this project.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by oefrha »

samuelstros wrote: post #59

Why is this open-source? Neither is the source of the (free) icons available, nor is the license (CC 4.0) approved by OSI as "open source". Don't get me wrong I am not an evangelist praising the OSI. But not even having the source (figma/sketch files, repository) available definitely abuses the term open source.

SVG is arguably a fairly easily editable source form for simple icons.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by absove »

thyrox wrote: post #61

The definition of open source is getting blurry day by day. Just today I was looking for an infinite scroll JavaScript library and even though it's oss with 7k+ github star, you still need to buy a commercial licence to use it. I really wish we had separate open source licence for such projects which require a commercial use licence. (1) https://infinite-scroll.com/

It's a GPL library, which is a copyleft license that actually predates the usage of the term "open source". Just because it's on npm/github doesn't mean you don't need to check the type of license.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by midasuni »

thyrox wrote: post #61

The definition of open source is getting blurry day by day. Just today I was looking for an infinite scroll JavaScript library and even though it's oss with 7k+ github star, you still need to buy a commercial licence to use it. I really wish we had separate open source licence for such projects which require a commercial use licence. (1) https://infinite-scroll.com/

It’s a bit confusing but it reads to me that the code is GPL3, so whats the problem?

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by pabs3 »

vincent-lemoign wrote: post #36
pabs3 wrote: post #11

Which open source license are they released under?

Those 5 icon sets, Bangalore and Freemoji sets are all licensed under the Creative Commons - CC BY 4.0 which lets you use them as you want. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Other premium icon sets aren't open-source, so using them would require a backlink or a purchase.

Where is the source for the icons and what format is it in?

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by 6510 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #71
scim-knox-twox wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Except for wide practice? How many people who work with mobile phones cannot really determine what the icon for Wi-Fi means? But that's the problem. You don't know what the icon for Wi-Fi means, until you do.

Same with the alphabet. Someone has to teach you what A means and how is it pronounced. That is quite a normal task in human civilization, we do not come out of the womb pre-programmed to be literate.

I told someone who uses a phone most hours of the day for decades to click the hamburger menu. "What?" I said the 3 lines at the top in the corner. "Oh wtf? I never knew there was a menu there."

In marketing the goal is to, every step of the way, not lose customers. Basically: You want to sell stuff or attempt to teach stuff? If a simple hamburger already is More than 0% wont be able to see the little house as a link to the front page while something like "home" would work for an English audience 100% of the time.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by zauguin »

prmoustache wrote: post #80
vincent-lemoign wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those 5 icon sets, Bangalore and Freemoji sets are all licensed under the Creative Commons - CC BY 4.0 which lets you use them as you want. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Other premium icon sets aren't open-source, so using them would require a backlink or a purchase.

Creative Commons licenses aren't open source licences. Your phrasing is misleading. They are however copyleft as they allow for redistribution and modification and this is the word you should be using.

CC BY is not a copyleft license. Copyleft is explicitly about the requirement to use the same license for modifications, which is present in CC BY-SA, but not in CC BY.

CC BY is recognized by the FSF as a free license and by Debian as DFSG-free. While it's not listed by the OSI as open-source, I think that's mostly because it's not a code license. So I don't think that calling it a open source license is misleading.

Of course, for open source icons I would actually expect the source files to be open...

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by edf13 »

oefrha wrote: post #92
samuelstros wrote: post #59

Why is this open-source? Neither is the source of the (free) icons available, nor is the license (CC 4.0) approved by OSI as "open source". Don't get me wrong I am not an evangelist praising the OSI. But not even having the source (figma/sketch files, repository) available definitely abuses the term open source.

SVG is arguably a fairly easily editable source form for simple icons.

Being able to edit something doesn't give it open source credentials....

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by vincent-lemoign »

xunn0026 wrote: post #54

I have learned to stay away from open-core icon sets. It seems like they are doing a very nice balancing act where the icons you need later on happen to be in the paid section. I also dislike this is promoted as an open source icon set. This is a commercial product providing free samples. By design, it has a funnel of free / 'open source' users of which some will be turned into customers. Finally, it's amazing to me…

All 7 sets are open-source. They are here to stay :)

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

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Post by vincent-lemoign »

samuelstros wrote: post #59

Why is this open-source? Neither is the source of the (free) icons available, nor is the license (CC 4.0) approved by OSI as "open source". Don't get me wrong I am not an evangelist praising the OSI. But not even having the source (figma/sketch files, repository) available definitely abuses the term open source.

Figma, github repositories are available. https://www.figma.com/community/file/1063138616574654762 https://github.com/webalys-hq/streamline-vectors/blob/main/R...

We still think they are open-source but totally okay with us having different opinions.

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