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Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#61
The definition of open source is getting blurry day by day.

Just today I was looking for an infinite scroll JavaScript library and even though it's oss with 7k+ github star, you still need to buy a commercial licence to use it.

I really wish we had separate open source licence for such projects which require a commercial use licence.

(1) https://infinite-scroll.com/

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#62

I have learned to stay away from open-core icon sets. It seems like they are doing a very nice balancing act where the icons you need later on happen to be in the paid section. I also dislike this is promoted as an open source icon set. This is a commercial product providing free samples. By design, it has a funnel of free / 'open source' users of which some will be turned into customers. Finally, it's amazing to me…

> It would never occur to me to create a programming library where you have the 'basic' open source version and the 'optimized' commercial version.

It's occurred to plenty of others - look at the GPT-3 libraries or a few of the more advanced Deep Learning ones.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#64

I'm a bit puzzled. To use the full set commercially, do I need to pay a subscription as long as I'm using them, or only as long as I still need new icons?

Only for new sets, but don't be fooled. If I remember correctly, they have limits on how many icons and illustrations you can download every day. So you actually pay huge amount of money (minimum of $228), for small subset of icons that you managed to download. You can't download entire Streamline set and use it within your library. Streamline is good, I considered to use it, but it's way way more expensive than any other "Pro" icon pack on the market.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#65

I have learned to stay away from open-core icon sets. It seems like they are doing a very nice balancing act where the icons you need later on happen to be in the paid section. I also dislike this is promoted as an open source icon set. This is a commercial product providing free samples. By design, it has a funnel of free / 'open source' users of which some will be turned into customers. Finally, it's amazing to me…

Exactly this. Whenever I tried to find some free fonts/icons/illustrations/sprites online, I always got tricked into one of those websites that have the word "free" in its title, but most of the content is locked behind a paywall.

Now I think about it, maybe we should have a blocklist that automatically removes results that invole this kind of deceptive behavior from search results.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#66
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

~~I see the catch. Billed yearly. So the minimum you pay for access is $240.~~ ~~That may not be much for the quality you are getting, but my fontawesome infinite access pack was a lot cheaper.~~ Edit: This was wrong. The catch is that you can only download 100 icons at a time, and you can’t download any more when your subscription expires. The system tries to detects bots, so you cannot automatically download the fu…

You can purchase for 1 month too. No need to subscribe for annual pricing if you don't need icons or illustrations throughout the year. Our design process is incredibly intensive. https://medium.com/streamline-icons/create-more-beautiful-an... Which is why a lot of folks choose us over other icon libraries: https://streamlinehq.com/wall-of-love If you need Purchasing Power Parity, please reach out to hello@streamline…

Make this a service that’s integrated into development tools and only bills for the icons that land into production (noninvasively by scanning them at CI stage for example) and you could get business. As of now, the price/icon is only attractive to enterprise who typically already need to design their own icons to establish identity. So you’re left with small scale who may just skip your offering for a completely free icon set.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#67

I have learned to stay away from open-core icon sets. It seems like they are doing a very nice balancing act where the icons you need later on happen to be in the paid section. I also dislike this is promoted as an open source icon set. This is a commercial product providing free samples. By design, it has a funnel of free / 'open source' users of which some will be turned into customers. Finally, it's amazing to me…

> It would never occur to me to create a programming library where you have the 'basic' open source version and the 'optimized' commercial version. It's occurred to plenty of others - look at the GPT-3 libraries or a few of the more advanced Deep Learning ones.

Deep learning libraries are free; GPT-3 is not a library, it's a pretrained model. It's offered (for a fee) through an API. The company offering it (as much as I dislike their naming OpenAI, while being all but open) spent considerable amount of money training it, and is paying more in hardware costs for each instance you send through their API.

Actually, even though training models is very expensive, most models are even available online for free! A large collection is on HuggingFace (including GPT-2, which is essentially a smaller GPT-3), and there are studies proving that the quality is essentially the same. You can literally just download and run them, pretty much like... a free library.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#68
post #11

Which open source license are they released under?

Those 5 icon sets, Bangalore and Freemoji sets are all licensed under the Creative Commons - CC BY 4.0 which lets you use them as you want. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Other premium icon sets aren't open-source, so using them would require a backlink or a purchase.

What does Open Source even mean in this context? To me this would mean getting the source files for the icons.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#69
I work a lot with icons, even submitted some of my own design to materialdesignicons set.

These sets look nice. However, that's the only good thing about them. Subscription model is ridiculous for this sort of things, licensing is unclear. So I'll pass on using them.

Re: Show HN: Open-core icon sets that took me 12 years to create

#70

I have learned to stay away from open-core icon sets. It seems like they are doing a very nice balancing act where the icons you need later on happen to be in the paid section. I also dislike this is promoted as an open source icon set. This is a commercial product providing free samples. By design, it has a funnel of free / 'open source' users of which some will be turned into customers. Finally, it's amazing to me…

>It would never occur to me to create a programming library where you have the 'basic' open source version and the 'optimized' commercial version.

We can say that this exists for the wireless networking drivers.

Generally IC is marketed with the features enabled with commercial driver, but shipped with open-source driver.

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