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Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

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Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#31

Seems like game theory at work Cooperating may have net benefit but you'd get much further by being greedy while the others don't

Game theory does not say this is the case in every game, only in certain games like Prisoner's Dilemma.

The fact about reality is that there are lots of games, and if you choose a game which is zero-sum or even negative-sum, it's easy to say "This is just how the universe works." But nevertheless, that may only be true locally. If you go somewhere else, you may find that there is a game which is positive-sum.

It may not be a big game, it may not be the most popular or prevalent game, but what do you care? Each of us only needs to find one thing that works for us.

If you like zero-sum games, great, play them. But it's a choice, it's not forced upon us by the universe.

Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#34
You might be buying into a sociopathic definition of "success". If your definition of success is to be #1 in the market, focused on profits over everything else, and have no non-work criteria for success, then yes, being a sociopath helps.

But if you define success by happiness, life satisfaction, family and friends, enjoying your work, and fulfilling your personal goals. That can be done more readily without going sociopathic.

Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#35
I used to work in executive training and have worked with many CEOs of large orgs - to get to the top, for the most part, you have to be incredibly empathetic.

You also have to be incredibly outcome-oriented. You need to prioritize a range of objectives against a mountain of constraints. Sometimes that means deprioritizing parts of a product or company mission to further the longterm success of the business, using the information you have. If they didn’t, then they wouldn’t be doing their job. Sometimes that also means deprioritizing people. This is why every leader will always be able to be portrayed as a sociopath.

The actual sociopaths are one or two levels beneath - those that are jockeying for good standing by pushing themselves up and others down. They rarely make it to the top and if they do, aren’t there for long.

In my experience, those who do not see this tend to hold different levels of either empathy or outcome-orientation.

Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#37
You need to be kind to everyone else and yourself. Go make things happen with gentleness

Collaboratively Efficient Operators?

Treat contempt with disdain and help people learn to work together

Speak the truth you know and others accept. Use your intelligence to learn the wit of many. Let agreement build on argued decisions.

Don't rush

Read loads of Philosophy, we have loads of it and it's very common

Bowing to people is a good technique if sincere. Respect is a great way to begin a conversation

Delegate only that which you understand. This is difficult. Concentrate on the purpose of the responsibility

Consider everything else before yourself and then revel in your self

Don't be a sociopath

Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#39
Because they are more likely to have psychopathic traits than the general population, but much less so than criminals. But not really enough to worry about. The vast majority of psychopaths are in prison and regular jobs. And the vast majority of CEOs display no psychopathic tendencies.

"Roughly 4% to as high as 12% of CEOs exhibit psychopathic traits, according to some expert estimates, many times more than the 1% rate found in the general population and more in line with the 15% rate found in prisons. "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-p...

https://hbr.org/2004/10/executive-psychopaths

https://psychopathyis.org/stats/

The key aspect of CEOs that make for success is aligning people with vision and some measure of bravery to eschew "traditional" and "safe" to pursue that vision. That can be either because you are a master manipulator and driven by ego-mania, or because you are genuine and compelling and understand your industry, or both.

Physiologically, you should try to be tall, good looking, outgoing, confident, somewhat narcissistic, and infected with Toxoplasmosis.

http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/toxoplasmosis-entrepreneuri...

Re: Why do I feel like you need to be a sociopath to succeed?

#40

How do you cultivate sociopathy? I took a personality disorder quiz and scored high on everything except the dark triad. Because of that quiz score, I’m worried that my earning potential is not as high as it could be if I was otherwise a high functioning psychopath. I’m totally serious btw, any tips are appreciated.

Your earning potential is fine. You really, really don't want to be a sociopath, because sociopaths suck at taking advantage of win-win opportunities. As a rule, they more or less hate the world around them and feel that the only way to win is to screw everyone else. Just focus on playing the game well and you'll beat them easily. Most average people don't care much about doing either, the one real advantage sociopaths have is their focus.
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