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Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by dash2 »

mayop100 wrote: post #19
etcet wrote: post #14

I am one of those Google Inbox refugees and this definitely piques my interest. The pricing does not really make sense for personal user ($9/mo for a email client). Could you elaborate on the free plan 90 day limit? If I snooze an email for 100 days, will I ever see it? Please try to convince me that this limit will not be annoying enough that I should take the risk of linking my Gmail account.

Your email will still come back, and you'll see it in your inbox, but you won't see it in search results . And emails from more than 90 days before you signed up won't be imported.

I think the problem is that when you need to search for an email, you really need to know if you got anything or not. And for most of us, we can't wade through the 100s of emails we get a day. So this would really cut me off from my old email, which I think is a showstopper. Otherwise, it looks nice and interesting.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by jwngr »

rabscuttler wrote: post #67

This looks great, congrats - it’s great to see innovation and creativity in the email space. I’ve just got through my first week with Superhuman, which I’ve found really productive, particularly the keyboard shortcuts. Your marketing copy seemed to make a few references to that product if I’m not mistaken. Aside from the price ($30/m for Superhuman vs $9/m for Shortwave) would you save me the trouble and outline what…

Thanks! Our keyboard shortcuts are pretty extensive too [1]. Let us know if there's a shortcut missing that you'd like to see!

Beyond price, there are a handful of examples [2], but I'll focus on two big things that set Shortwave apart:

(1) An opinionated triage flow. Bundles group together related senders to make your inbox more scannable, while our triage actions (Pin / Snooze / Done) and drag 'n drop allow you to treat your inbox like the to-do list that it is. [3] We lean into the fact that inbox zero is not a realistic goal for many email users.

(2) Team features. We bring Slack-like channels into your email inbox and give you the notification controls to make that possible. [4] Shortwave eliminates the boundary between your team and the rest of the world. And things like emoji reactions, mentions, and a chat-like interface make it feel unlike any email client you've used before.

[1] https://www.shortwave.com/docs/references/shortcuts/

[2] https://www.shortwave.com/features/

[3] https://www.shortwave.com/docs/guides/101/

[4] https://www.shortwave.com/docs/guides/team/

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by bin_bash »

josephwegner wrote: post #12

I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even! I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't…

It took me a few tries to move off of Gmail onto FastMail and I still miss the Gmail iPhone app. I haven't found anything I prefer.

I suspect I'm not the only one and that a good desktop + mobile app would increase the number of people migrating away from Google. I frankly never would've seen myself use a third party client while I was still on Gmail.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by jlkuester7 »

lf-non wrote: post #63
josephwegner wrote: post #12

I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even! I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't…

There is mailspring which I have been using for some time - it has a nice modern interface which imho is much better than thunderbird as well as most of the web interfaces of self hosted email. Based on electron though, so ymmv. https://getmailspring.com/

+1 for MailSpring! It is easily the best desktop email application I have ever used!

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by brimble »

edf13 wrote: post #54

Why do we need/want inbox zero? Isn’t that a false promise of modern life? Inbox zero isn’t possible or even necessary

I've found it's both achievable and a worthwhile way to operate if and only if nearly all of your emails come from humans, and not very many of them.

As soon as transactional emails and marketing mailer scripts start to take over, or long-running CC noise, it's hopeless and fighting it's not worth the time. Forget about it and rely on search. Maybe auto-categorize some senders you want to break through the noise, but anything past that isn't a good use of time (though it may be satisfying, which is enough justification if you're into that kind of thing)

Failing that, skimming the inbox for important messages you missed then hitting archive-all at the end of the day can do it, but it's sort-of cheating and I'm not sure how valuable it is. Periodically auto-archiving anything older than X hours can be nice, but won't (often) get you to Inbox Zero.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by jlkuester7 »

buttocks wrote: post #15

Feedback: Email is just fine . It is mature and should just be left alone. It is not something that should be reinvented. The next thing should not be email at all . It should be something fundamentally different, not another iteration of email. Seeing some downvote criticism on this comment, let me clarify. I understand the value in working on an established set of federated protocols. Everyone has an email address…

I don't get the down-votes on this comment either. (Other then maybe HN is not really the place where folks like to "leave things alone...".)

Email is a fact of life and it is not going anywhere, but in general I would prefer communicating over the Matrix protocol. There is plenty of innovation and development still needed in the messaging space, but continuing to view email as the core technology to build on top of is unnecessarily limiting. (Note that this is not a criticism of the Shortwave team as we all need great email clients! I am just concurring that there are protocols that are fundamentally better than email...)

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by ehaughee »

Hard_Space wrote: post #64

For me the killer feature would be to entirely withhold incoming mail from specified email addresses or email domains until weekday working hours. No bolded 'pending' folder, no indication that you're being communicated with by business concerns in your leisure time...I'd pay an extra fee every year just for that one feature.

Check out https://www.hey.com/. I've found once I categorized the majority of my regular senders to either go to paper trail or feed, I get so little actual mail. Then when I want to go see my feed for Patagonia's latest marketing mail, I can. No number says how many are there, nothing is bold. Just a click or two and I'm looking at my feed. It can even auto-delete after 30 days if you want.

Despite the fact that it may sound like it, I am not affiliated with Hey, just a happy user.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by thesuitonym »

Hard_Space wrote: post #64

For me the killer feature would be to entirely withhold incoming mail from specified email addresses or email domains until weekday working hours. No bolded 'pending' folder, no indication that you're being communicated with by business concerns in your leisure time...I'd pay an extra fee every year just for that one feature.

It seems so crazy to me that no major mail app has figured this out. Why can't I mute my work email after work hours?

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by illnewsthat »

thesuitonym wrote: post #79
Hard_Space wrote: post #64

For me the killer feature would be to entirely withhold incoming mail from specified email addresses or email domains until weekday working hours. No bolded 'pending' folder, no indication that you're being communicated with by business concerns in your leisure time...I'd pay an extra fee every year just for that one feature.

It seems so crazy to me that no major mail app has figured this out. Why can't I mute my work email after work hours?

You can do that in Outlook.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/manage-your-notif...

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