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Google Search Is Dying

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Re: Google Search Is Dying

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An important thing to realize, too, is that this is a problem that keeps getting worse. The article talks about product reviews and recipes, but it's been spreading a lot further than that. Recently I was trying to look up a technical error, and found a lot of web pages that seemed to be auto-generated with "How to solve [error_scraped_from_the_web]", complete with a list of generic things unrelated to the error (IE,…

Just as bad as the auto-generated pages are company blog pages whose SEO rigged post pretends to give "help" for a problem where the main solution is of course, using their product.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Just a heads up if someone is searching reddit for product reviews. I believe most of them are inauthentic. I worked in marketing for several companies and we always had some budget for whisper marketing aka shilling. There are third party agency specialized in shilling on reddit and making it all look authentic.

I remember picking up on this when I was researching vpns. Compare the comments on Reddit and hacker news, and the difference is stark. It becomes fairly apparent that a lot of the Reddit comments were paid.

Oh no are we next? I’ve very often googled “xyz hacker news” because for some reason I trust the people here.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Oh man I'm glad I'm not the only one who adds "Reddit" to every search. If I want info about computer parts, software, games, cooking, fitness, etc. Then I don't think there's anywhere better at the moment. At least there's nothing better that Google serves up.

I'm fed up of Google returning blog spam, ads, and shamelessly rehosted content. I want real information by real people, not automated blog posts with titles covering every common search term.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Google used to be really, really good at finding exactly what I told it to find. Nowadays, it's turned into the yellow pages; sponsored content from businesses trying to sell me goods and services. Can people suggest good alternatives or search patterns for certain categories of information or search types? Some of the search patterns I currently I use: * Youtube for product reviews and demos, entertainment, music an…

youtube has some great technical content

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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I find Google to be the best way to search other websites (which is the conclusion I get from reading this post). People use Google to search Reddit, not Reddit. I have found Google to be the absolute best way to search for tweets on Twitter. Twitter search is attrocious. I do search for things on YouTube directly, but that's still Google Search.

>People use Google to search Reddit, not Reddit.

Because Reddit's native search is completely broken.

If I'm looking for something specific I've seen before I use redditsearch.io if I'm looking for a comment by a specific user I use redditcommentsearch.com if I'm looking for de novo results I use Google site search on Reddit.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Just wait until the people doing SEO now realize this and start astroturfing at the same scale on Reddit. It'll be ruined much faster and with less hope of getting fixed than Google.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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post #308

An important thing to realize, too, is that this is a problem that keeps getting worse. The article talks about product reviews and recipes, but it's been spreading a lot further than that. Recently I was trying to look up a technical error, and found a lot of web pages that seemed to be auto-generated with "How to solve [error_scraped_from_the_web]", complete with a list of generic things unrelated to the error (IE,…

Post truth society has arrived, trump was a symptom, not the cause.

Combined with AI imitating speech and deepfakes, and technology of inplanting false memories, we will have the matrix, just not the wau we expected ^ ^

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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There have been many interesting threads recently about the decline of Google's search quality here on HN. There's zero doubt search results are getting worse, and that ads and spam are the cause. But Google's financial performance has been going from record to record. So there is a huge disconnect building in the market. Each thread has had some common themes, but what's surprising is how different the problems disc…

The weird thing about these is that they blame Google's search results on spam. I work in SEO and I can tell you that they are much better at ignoring spam than they were in 2010, where a lot of these people quoted still have their heads at regarding SEO.

What's been going on at Google is reliance on neural nets to take care of various ranking algorithm tasks. We want better keyword matching to generate results, but Google is developing ways to match query vectors to document vectors using stuff like BERT. Google is looking at the knowledge graph of entities that emerges out of the content we write and is trying to figure out which relationships between entities are important to a query and which result set has the best coverage and diversity. This incentivizes publishers to write a lot of text that covers multiple related topics and bury the point inside of it.

The other major shift in Google is how they consider links. PageRank is still around in some form, but there could be other link-based algorithms that serve similar purposes. The last few years of core algorithm updates put a lot of importance on receiving links from news websites for any keyword with commercial intent. If you want to rank, go hard on public relations.

The result is a real loss of accuracy and a lot more false positives that are semi-related to the query.

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