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The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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"I do not think there is much evidence that misinformation has become more widespread, that this increase in misinformation is due to technological change, or that it is at the root of the political trends liberals are most angry about. If anything, people seem to be better-informed than in the past"

I agree. Who has the truth? Government or media? Or neither?

What has become worse is the centralised control of information. Which then leads to those centralised sources complaining and publicising of the issue.

On the other side, you have governance structures that require the legacy media to support their messaging, as the govern the populace.

Both work hand in hand - one provides the message the other the megaphone. In the past 2 years, the government has bankrolled the largest campaign in history, and the media have been willing recipients.

Complaining about misinformation however, works for both parties - it provides a self-supporting justification their actions.

Truth and faithfully representing reality has very little to do with that "virtuous" circle between media and governance.

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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Once misinformation becomes accepted as truth, or a valid mindset even, it doesn't stand out as blatant falsehood. Questioning whether 1 + 2 is actually 3 or a secret way to hide the true meaning of pi is akin to a dog chasing its tail to excercise his brain.

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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One of the worst example that I bring (unfortunately) in my mind, was from like mid-pandemic, when people around was complaining due to newspapers (in that occasion, the BBC in particular), for spreading misinformation.. and you know why they were spreading misinformation? Because they were supporting the right of chronicles by reporting about protests against coronavirus lockdown protests... this was the spreading of misinformation, newspaper should not report things that are happening but are wrong for wokes, they should only report things that they like, even if what they don't like happened and makes news

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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Ever since a high school current events class, I have questioned the motives of the media. This was circa 2008 after the stock market crash. The common question of "why is significantly more negative news highlighted than happy news?"

What matters to me is the truth. In times of FUD(fear, uncertainty, doubt), the information dials are all set to 11. It's an absolute firehose of all the above. It's less misinformation to me, but rather too much information.

The internet does not make me feel better informed. I feel more informed when I read books or scientific articles from credible authors, not opinion columnists. The internet makes me confused. Confusion gives me FUD. FUD makes the truth hard to decipher.

Although debate and dissent may help get to the truth earlier, only time will be the judge. It's unfortunate that we live in the present and can't have the truth earlier, but that's just life for ya.

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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"I do not think there is much evidence that misinformation has become more widespread, that this increase in misinformation is due to technological change, or that it is at the root of the political trends liberals are most angry about. If anything, people seem to be better-informed than in the past" I agree. Who has the truth? Government or media? Or neither? What has become worse is the centralised control of infor…

To be honest, in Italy this issue was solved during ww-2 time, a bunch of commercial newspapers from far-left to right (we couldn't have far-right back then, of course :D, we still can't but people has forgot and so we have now, but they can't really read and write), created a cooperative called ANSA (https://www.ansa.it), that is no opionion, no controlling point of view, just facts as they happen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenzia_Nazionale_Stampa_Assoc...)

If you force Fox, CNBC, CNN to create an agency of news reporting where each one oversee the content created, in order to be as objective as possible, then I think the society in US would benefit

In Italy those newspapers do money by selling copies containing the premium content, which is like reports, opinion articles, more in depth opinion articles etc, which people is still interested in, but for news and facts then ANSA is the source of truth

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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“Misinformation” appears to be a term used by people who don’t want to take on the burden of proof when accusing someone of lying.

Some people refuse to look at the truth. Then again, it should be assumed that a random person, more often than not, actually cared and spent some time thinking or learning what most people take to be true. Throwing conspiracy theories to see what sticks is a lazy form of destructive behavior. Pointing fingers at people who don't explicitly disprove your claims, whether or not you know them to be true, is just a continuation of the same.

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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“Misinformation” appears to be a term used by people who don’t want to take on the burden of proof when accusing someone of lying.

To me it seems like they are a pot calling the kettle brown so as to divert attention from the fact that their own blackness is the larger offense.

'these guys are just stupid' as they engage in overt deception and manipulation to even make such an accusation.

Re: The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation

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“Misinformation” appears to be a term used by people who don’t want to take on the burden of proof when accusing someone of lying.

When you hear the word `misinformation`, you can generally substitute with `wrongthink`. It makes much more sense that way.
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